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    Open Carry MARCH - Grand Rapids - 3/2/14

    That's right folks, this isn't your typical gathering, this is a march!

    Background:
    On Sunday, March 3rd 2013, around 12pm, Johann Deffert was walking home from breakfast with a holstered openly carried pistol. Despite having done nothing wrong, Mr. Deffert was detained at gunpoint by the Grand Rapids Police. Mr. Deffert was forced to lie on the ground while he was handcuffed. During this detention, his firearm and identification were taken from him. Two officers then proceeded to berate Mr. Deffert for lawfully openly carrying his handgun. One officer even threatened to further harass Mr. Deffert by reporting him to the Kent County gun board. Eventually, Mr. Deffert was released after the officers were unable to find something to charge him with.

    Event Details
    Michigan Open Carry will be holding a demonstration of every day open carriers, the day before the one year anniversary of Mr. Deffert's detainment. Our goal is to demonstrate in force, what the typical open carrier is like, and to show that there is nothing to be concerned about. We will be walking the same route, at the same time, on the same day of the week as Mr. Deffert.

    When: Sunday March 2nd @ 11:30am
    Where: Start at Fuller Park (250 Fuller Ave NE, Grand Rapids 49503).
    Rout:
    • Leave Fuller Park at 11:30am and head North on Fuller Ave towards Michigan St.
    • Turn East on Michigan St.
    • Continue down to the corner of Michigan St. and Lakeside Dr where Mr. Deffert was Detained.
    • After spending some time at this destination, we will turn around and head back towards the park.
    • Those that wish too will continue West down Michigan St. towards Monroe Center (City Hall).

    We will be demonstrating as typical, every day open carriers, as Mr. Deffert was when he was detained.

    Therefore, we ask that you carry the same gun that you carry every day. The objective is for people to look at us and realize that we are not so different, and understand that there is no cause for alarm when they see us in the grocery store, gas station, or any other place they may encounter us in our everyday lives.

    Lastly, New Beginnings, which is located roughly across Michigan St from Fuller Park has cleared us for breakfast around 10:00am. Their address is 1455 Michigan Street NE, Grand Rapids, MI 49503. The restaurant does not serve alcohol so a CPL is not need to open carry there. Feel free to bring friends and family. See you then.

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    That isn't terribly far for me. I wish it were on a Saturday though. You all have an enjoyable time!
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    5 Days away! I hope there is a good turn out from folks here as well as the Michigan gun groups.
    My reasons to OC
    1. to raise awareness of the legality of open carry in Michigan
    2. To raise awareness that good people carry guns
    3. A deterrent to people so that I won't be targeted
    4. Because it's more comfortable than CC in most situations
    5. Because I can and want to
    6. Because it's perfectly legal
    7. Self defense

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    It'll be interesting to see what, if anything, the GRPD does during this. Count me in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeSchaine View Post
    It'll be interesting to see what, if anything, the GRPD does during this. Count me in.
    I would be surprised if they did anything. At the event at Riverside Park I think I heard there was one patrol car that went by.
    My reasons to OC
    1. to raise awareness of the legality of open carry in Michigan
    2. To raise awareness that good people carry guns
    3. A deterrent to people so that I won't be targeted
    4. Because it's more comfortable than CC in most situations
    5. Because I can and want to
    6. Because it's perfectly legal
    7. Self defense

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raggs View Post
    I would be surprised if they did anything. At the event at Riverside Park I think I heard there was one patrol car that went by.
    Yep. Any time you've got more than 10 people you're not so likely to be hassled, whereas someone by themselves is basically a juicy target when in a jurisdiction controlled by badged felons. Warren was a pretty good example of this.
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    My reasons to OC
    1. to raise awareness of the legality of open carry in Michigan
    2. To raise awareness that good people carry guns
    3. A deterrent to people so that I won't be targeted
    4. Because it's more comfortable than CC in most situations
    5. Because I can and want to
    6. Because it's perfectly legal
    7. Self defense

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    Well brothers and sisters, it didnt take WOOD TV long to get their story up. Seems to be ok, if a bit short. Probably will be better (hopefully) after the 6 and 11 news.

    Great pic of Tom on the snowbank with Old Glory nearby. lol

    http://woodtv.com/2014/03/02/march-t...n-carry-in-gr/

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeSchaine View Post
    Well brothers and sisters, it didnt take WOOD TV long to get their story up. Seems to be ok, if a bit short. Probably will be better (hopefully) after the 6 and 11 news.

    Great pic of Tom on the snowbank with Old Glory nearby. lol

    http://woodtv.com/2014/03/02/march-t...n-carry-in-gr/
    Good job folks. Sadly the comments are all cheerleaders for the king & his men in GR. Wonder if mayor Tartwell... next becomes fearful that clothes could be used by audience members to strangle him....will they support him forcing everyone to attend city gatherings naked....
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    heh heh. Is it wrong of me to use a well educated vocab, spellcheck and logic to try and make ignorant little ants feel even smaller?

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    A few of the folks that were at the march

    My reasons to OC
    1. to raise awareness of the legality of open carry in Michigan
    2. To raise awareness that good people carry guns
    3. A deterrent to people so that I won't be targeted
    4. Because it's more comfortable than CC in most situations
    5. Because I can and want to
    6. Because it's perfectly legal
    7. Self defense

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    This article now has accompanying video:

    http://woodtv.com/2014/03/02/march-t...n-carry-in-gr/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raggs View Post
    A few of the folks that were at the march

    Awesome work guys. Great to see some faces I know also. I have to say - events like that march make me proud to know freedom loving people are standing up to tiny tin pot dictators in MI. :thumbup:
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    Thumbs up

    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Creamsicle View Post
    This article now has accompanying video:

    http://woodtv.com/2014/03/02/march-t...n-carry-in-gr/
    Chanel 8 did just as we expected, "Dozens of people..."

    I myself did a vary quick count and said about 70 and someone else there said 80.

    Three friends and I came up from St. Joe Co. and had a excellent time
    The news media plays politics more than the politicians do.

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    Thanks to everyone that came out. We had about 100 people and 7 reporters there. There were no problems with police, and Mlive reported that the police were never called. Our message is getting out.

    http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapi...rry_march.html

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    I watched the video from TV 8. It made me ask these questions: If the city says it's officers did nothing wrong & they did the right things - then why weren't there over 80+ felony prone stops conducted on the marchers? I mean clearly they posed a more of a threat than Mr.Deffert did? I guess the public's safety is only a concern when the media is NOT on hand.

    /sarcasm.
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