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    Supreme court hearing of JAN 15 regarding RKBA & Domestic Violence

    http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arg...-1371_2cp3.pdf

    Some members of the court are just plain stupid.

    The hearing included the idea that domestic abuse charges, a misdemeanor, are actually felonies reclassified as misdemeanors is off the wall for most states view of what domestic violence is ...got some real man-haters on this court.

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    from page 32---

    18 JUSTICE BREYER: Excuse me. If you look at
    19 the history of it, it's certainly true that Congress did
    20 intend to get misdemeanor domestic felonies.

    "Misdemeanor domestic felonies"? I am still trying to wrap my head around this particular phrase taken from the arguments....

    Do we have a new category of crime?
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    Misdemeanor-felony would seem the very image of a modern oxymoron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Misdemeanor-felony would seem the very image of a modern oxymoron.
    Next will be the infraction-misdemeanor-felony conviction where you lose your RKBA and drivers license.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Next will be the infraction-misdemeanor-felony conviction where you lose your RKBA and drivers license.
    What do you mean "infraction-misdemeanor-felony"?

    We've already got the "OPINION ENFORCEMENT CONTEMPT OF COP" variants!
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    Lower the bar of what constitutes a felony is an easy way to give the illusion of disarming the public and a convenient way to infringe upon rights.

    What bothers me about a lot of these cases is that many people are deprived of rights without due process.

    Of course nowadays I have seen hints that due process simply means any process of the "system".
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Lower the bar of what constitutes a felony is an easy way to give the illusion of disarming the public and a convenient way to infringe upon rights.

    What bothers me about a lot of these cases is that many people are deprived of rights without due process.

    Of course nowadays I have seen hints that due process simply means any process of the "system".
    Those are not hints. I know that is how it's being used.

    Due process is gone.
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    If a felon may properly be disbarred his rights under color of law then we all can be legally disarmed merely by sufficiently lowering the bar of felony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    Those are not hints. I know that is how it's being used.

    Due process is gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    If a felon may properly be disbarred his rights under color of law then we all can be legally disarmed merely by sufficiently lowering the bar of felony.
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    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    As tyrannical law makers, courts, and executive despots add never ending increments of " necessary balance " to the caveat "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" ..............an iron clad case for "ABSOLUTELY SHALL NEVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES BE INFRINGED" - is being established beyond any reasonable doubt.

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