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CA gun-grabber makes fool of himself promoting SB 808

KYKevin

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The reciever he is holding is that a v6 or v8? Also does it conform to Komifornia emissions standards?

Is it me or are those leo's behind him looking at him like he is an idiot and embarrassing them?
 
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mobiushky

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If you think the politician is really stupid think about what the people who voted for him are like.

P.S. I have a huge overstock of ghost guns. If you send me an ar 15 or an ak 47 in trade I will mail a ghost gun back to you. Be careful opening the box. you will need one of those ghost finding thingamajigs they use on tv shows. The ghost gun comes with an upgraded 100 rd magazine clip, rocket launcher, scary barrel shroud, A unique camo paint that makes the gun invisible and a folding retractable stock. WARNING: Not responsible for lost or misplaced ghost guns.

I was all set to send my AK to you, but then I noticed your Ghost Guns don't come with the shoulder thing that goes up. So, I decided not to.
 

MAC702

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new SB808 said:
(a) For purposes of this chapter, “manufacturing” or “assembling” a firearm means to fabricate or construct a firearm, or to fit together the component parts of a firearm to construct a firearm.

Is that part as scary as it sounds?
 

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Is that part as scary as it sounds?

Maybe, maybe not. It's the same definition in the US code. Same one ATF uses. Keep in mind, the definition of the firearm is the key. US and ATF define the firearm as the receiver or frame. Not all the parts in the receiver, the receiver or frame itself. In the case of an AR, that's the lower receiver only. Stripped out completely of all the parts. That's the firearm. So putting all the parts into the firearm to make it work is not considered making it. (By ATF standards) If you take a bunch of parts and weld them together to build a reciever, you've made a firearm. If that makes sense. Depends on how CA defines it.
 

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Under federal law they are not ... you just need to pay the man for the permission to own one.

(at least to be in compliance with an unconstitutional law)

A sbr can either be an sbr or a machine gun. If it is capable of more than one round per trigger pull it is a machine gun.

What are NFA Weapons?
There are two kinds of firearms under U.S. (federal) law, title 1 firearms and title 2. Title 1 firearms are long guns (rifles and shotguns), handguns, firearm frames or receivers, and most NFA weapons are also title 1 firearms. Title 2 weapons are NFA weapons. Title 2 of the 1968 Gun Control Act is the National Firearms Act (26 USC sec. 5801 et seq.), hence NFA. Title 1 is generally called the Gun Control Act, (18 USC sec. 921 et seq.). NFA weapons are sometimes called class 3 weapons, because a class 3 SOT (see below) is needed to deal in NFA weapons.

These weapons may also be further regulated by states or localities, and while these weapons can be legally owned under federal law, some states and localities further regulate ownership or prohibit it (see below). The NFA Branch of ATF administers the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record, which necessarily encompasses most of the NFA regulation.

NFA weapons are: machine guns, sound suppressors (a.k.a. silencers), short barreled shotguns, short barreled rifles, destructive devices and "any other weapons". A machine gun is any gun that can fire more than one shot with a single pull of the trigger, or a receiver of a machine gun, or a combination of parts for assembling a machine gun, or a part or set of parts for converting a gun into a machine gun. A silencer is any device for muffling the gunshot of a portable firearm, or any part exclusively designed or intended for such a device (see discussion below). A short barreled shotgun is any shotgun (shoulder fired, smooth bore) with a barrel of less than 18" or an overall length of less than 26", or any weapon made from a shotgun falling into the same length parameters. A short barreled rifle is a rifle (shoulder fired, rifled bore) with a barrel length of less than 16", or an overall length of less than 26", or any weapon made from a rifle falling into the same length parameters (like a pistol made from a rifle). In measuring barrel length you do it from the closed breech to the muzzle, see 27 CFR sec. 179.11. To measure overall length do so along, "the distance between the extreme ends of the weapon measured along a line parallel to the center line of the bore." 27 CFR sec. 179.11. On a folding stock weapon you measure with the stock extended, provided the stock is not readily detachable, and the weapon is meant to be fired from the shoulder. A destructive device (DD) is a explosive, incendiary or poison gas weapon, or any firearm with a bore over 1/2", with exceptions for sporting shotguns, among other things (see discussion below). Any other weapons (AOW's) are a number of things; smooth bore pistols, any pistol with more than one grip,(but see below) gadget type guns (cane gun, pen gun) and shoulder fired weapons with both rifled and smooth bore barrels between 12" and 18", that must be manually reloaded (see discussion below). These definitions are simplified, to see if a specific gun is a title 1 or 2 firearm one needs to refer to the specific definition under the statute(s), and possibly consult with the Technology Branch of ATF. There is also case law on the issue of whether a specific item falls into one of these categories.

Owning or making an NFA weapon
 

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hold up.

If i joined the military,.......... I could buy a full auto without doing the tax stamp, or any class 2/3 forms and waiting times?!....no, you still cannot buy one without atf approval.

can i opt to wear pink camo into battle if i do the military?............yes, the brit sas wore pink uniforms and a pink land rover in the desert. It disappears to the human eye.

can i opt to wear pink camo on a raid as a leo?....check the cali forum.

which one is cheapest to study in order to get a high rank so i can boss people around and commandeer an apache, and go pew-pew with?
.....leo
 
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MSG Laigaie

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..........And the guy thinks one can finish a 80% lower with a drill bit? He's a moron.........

I guess I am a "moron". I have done this and so have many, many others. Not that hard. Some kits, ( http://aresarmor.com/store/Item/Polymer-Pink ), do not even need a jig. You really do not the 80% either as the side plate lowers work well whether welded or bolted. Give me a box of steel and a bit of time and I can build you a weapon.
 

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I think what he meant was that the way it was portrayed in the press conference, the ignorant masses might believe you really only need the one drill bit, a power drill, and about 10 seconds to make a "fully automatic sniper machine clip gun". Similar to how the media portrays the home conversion of semi-auto to full auto as requiring only a paper clip, not the gunsmithing tools and experience, as well as parts with certain dimensions and tolerances that would be quite difficult to reproduce without either previous knowledge or the dimensions.
 

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I guess I am a "moron". I have done this and so have many, many others. Not that hard. Some kits, ( http://aresarmor.com/store/Item/Polymer-Pink ), do not even need a jig. You really do not the 80% either as the side plate lowers work well whether welded or bolted. Give me a box of steel and a bit of time and I can build you a weapon.

To be fair, even your attached instructions say that the drill bit is just to more easily remove a lot of metal before using the end mill to do the actual job.

It is true that it takes more than "just a drill bit" to finish even the best-prepped 80% receivers. Maybe some drill bits and a lot of very careful, very good, very tedious filing, but I don't think David is out of line for his comment, which is obviously not directed at those who know what they are doing with files and/or mills, even if they can do a lot of it with drill bits.
 

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You use the stripper clip for loading.

I think that that M1 was the only one that required a clip to be loaded into the magazine.

BTW you don't need the clip to load a Mosin Nagant, I've never used one.

They do make stripper clips for the Mosin Nagant also the Carcano and Mannlicher needed clips to function properly.

Calling magazines , clips has been used almost from the beginning here's the definition from the Merriam-Webster dictionary.

Definition of CLIP


1

: any of various devices that grip, clasp, or hook


2

: a device to hold cartridges for charging the magazines of some rifles; also : a magazine from which ammunition is fed into the chamber of a firearm


3

: a piece of jewelry held in position by a clip
 
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MAC702

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...here's the definition from the Merriam-Webster dictionary...

Modern dictionaries will eventually change to conform with common usages. Much of the time, it will be for terms used by those outside of the trade that uses the more specialized terms.

I teach my students that if they say "clip" I will know what they mean. But I also teach them that there IS a difference, and when they see and handle the props in the classroom, they understand the difference and are appreciative of learning the correct term, not the common one.
 

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Desired end result.

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If criminals and people with intent to do harm have access to modern technology firearms, that is even more reason for the LAC to have the same.

Lets have less gun laws and more severe punishment for a *crime committed with a gun.

Telling the millions of us that we can't have an AR15 because we might kill with it is like saying we can't have cars because we might kill with it.
I know I don't want to have to kill someone, but I sure want to have equal or greater force if necessary.



*with proper due process and conviction.
 

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If criminals and people with intent to do harm have access to modern technology firearms, that is even more reason for the LAC to have the same.
You want to have the physically weak, the disabled, the elderly, and other easy prey be on equal footing with the predatory violent criminals?

Lets have less gun laws and more severe punishment for a *crime committed with a gun.
You forget that all criminals are really just victims of society, and should be treated better than the victims they inflict harm on.

Telling the millions of us that we can't have an AR15 because we might kill with it is like saying we can't have cars because we might kill with it.
I know I don't want to have to kill someone, but I sure want to have equal or greater force if necessary.

*with proper due process and conviction.

You say that as if we should believe everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Here in the United Socialist States of Amerika, we believe everyone is guilty until the infallible government decides otherwise.
(/heavy sarcasm off)

It all has to do with controlling the masses with promises of safety and blaming of those who have chosen to take responsibility for their own safety and actions.
 

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Lets have less gun laws and more severe punishment for a *crime committed with a gun.

Thats funny. You say "lets have less gun laws" and then say "make more gun laws" in the same sentence.

Why? How about zero gun laws and have the punishment fit the crime regardless of what type of weapon was used?
 
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