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Accidentally shot himself twice in 15 years.

sudden valley gunner

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Some people really need to learn safe handling.

I hope he never declares he is the only one skilled enough to handle that weapons.




FUQ-"It turns out Counceller had accidentally shot himself once before, 15 years ago."
 

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"Connersville's police chief drives himself to the hospital after he accidentally shoots himself. David Counceller suffered a flesh wound to his thigh when his gun discharged over the weekend"
I love how the media makes it sound like the gun just randomly turned on its owner and shot him in the thigh.

"He says he was placing the gun in an unfamiliar holster, and the trigger caught on some clothing, causing the gun to go off."
The trigger has a guard, it's more likely his finger was in the trigger.
 

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That's why I don't like, or have any, guns with only a trigger safety. The XD, and others, have both a grip and trigger safety, making the incident the unfortunate police chief experienced, almost impossible. His first injury due to ND was even more avoidable, and IMO stupid.
 

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Trigger safeties on double-action firearms are quite reliable.

Just leave it in the holster that covers the trigger guard unless you are going to fire it or clear it. Then just keep your booger hook off the bang switch until and unless you intend to deliberately and immediately pull that switch.

Simple. Safe.

Remember, your last line of protection is the safety between your ears. No manner and no amount of physical safeties are effective unless the one between your ears is properly functioning.
 

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The "safety between the ears" has been found to be one of the most unreliable safeties ever "installed" into a gun. Fortunately, and knock on wood, the one I have has yet to fail me.
 

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i hope the good citizens of the Hoosier county he wishes to run for sheriff in take notice of his faux pas...

oh wait, i forgot, it was his service firearm's fault wasn't it!!

Bad, Bad firearm...for punishment you must sit in the case for a month...

drove himself to the hospital...really? i am sure he would let another citizen in similar circumstances do that as well, huh!!

did hospital personal fill out the necessary forms and notify the local police there they treated a firearm injury?

ipse
 
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Clothing my arse. The dumb arse had his finger on the trigger. It probably was a covered trigger as most holsters are these days. The problem lies with the brain, no manual, safety, and inserting the gun in the holster with finger on trigger. Bill Jordan holsters became popular because there were so many accidents with scabbard holsters. Jordan holsters have open trigger, scabbard are covered. The trigger being covered or uncovered is not the problem, the gun is not the problem, the problem is a short circuit in the brain. People do things without thinking, and this leads to Awww Shiites.

It is one reason I never carry a wallet. My personal items are always hanging from my neck under my shirt. I know how to retrieve a wallet, I know how to retrieve a gun. But doing these things in auto mode can lead to a Awww Shiite.

I carried most of my life, and still do holsters with a open trigger, revolvers with no manual safety. My finger stays off the trigger until the gun is pointed at a target. At no time before is the trigger touched, same goes for removing a safety on a semi auto, only remove it when on target and a decision has been made to shoot.

ETA that Glocks while being a gun and cannot fire by themselves. Glocks are not for everyone, the owners of these guns must be very careful when dissembling their guns to make sure they are unloaded. This goes for any gun that must be dry fired to disassemble. One of the great things about guns designed with a Hi Power style barrel link that if someone forgets or goofs up in safety checking, the gun disassembles by just pulling the slide and barrel forward as one unit. There by limiting the chances of a ND.
 
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"It was just a little accident. Dave is an excellent marksman," Urban said Monday.


WTF does the ability to accurately align the sights when shooting at a target have to do with negligently shooting yourself?

I was once working on my engine when I accidentally placed my hand to close to the spinning fan and sliced all the skin off my knuckles.

I don't understand how this happened. I'm an excellent driver.
 
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That's why I don't like, or have any, guns with only a trigger safety. The XD, and others, have both a grip and trigger safety, making the incident the unfortunate police chief experienced, almost impossible. His first injury due to ND was even more avoidable, and IMO stupid.

Grip safety doesn't do jack diddily, he even says in the article he was pushing down on the gun to holster it, meaning a hand on grip, disengaging the grip safety and allowing it to be fired. so an XD would make no dfference.

ADs occassionally happen, the gun was muzzle pointed down, no innocent people were hurt. hardly a huge incident. IMO
 

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Grip safety doesn't do jack diddily, he even says in the article he was pushing down on the gun to holster it, meaning a hand on grip, disengaging the grip safety and allowing it to be fired. so an XD would make no dfference.

ADs occassionally happen, the gun was muzzle pointed down, no innocent people were hurt. hardly a huge incident. IMO

ADs NEVER happen, NDs do. So this occasional accident is just peachy with you until a innocent person is shot "accidentally"? People who think occasional NDs are acceptable should not own guns. I certainly would NEVER hire one who thinks in this fashion. I would be sued for hiring a accident waiting to happen.
 
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ADs NEVER happen, NDs do. So this occasional accident is just peachy with you until a innocent person is shot "accidentally"? People who think occasional NDs are acceptable should not own guns. I certainly would NEVER hire one who thinks in this fashion. I would be sued for hiring a accident waiting to happen.

Oh really? so if someone runs a stop sign and no one is hurt does that mean that person should go to prison for the same sentence as T-boning a station wagon full of kids?

people have accidents in everything.

as far as AD versus ND, if correcting other people on irrelevant terminology is what makes you feel better about yourself then feel better about yourself. AD is perfectly correct term. by definition of the words used.

for that matter I can't say I feel that much better knowing a guy wears his credit cards around his neck because he can't tell the difference between a gun and a wallet is walking around carrying a gun, so there. :p

a range officer in Washington fired a shot in the air by accident at the WAC gun show, to the best of my knowledge he got a slap on the wrist too..... in states where accidental discharges are a crime it's universally a misdemeanor. and almost never prosecuted either. one shot goes to the floor, nicks the guy who fired it, and hurts no one else.... no it doesn't really strike me as something someone should lose their job over, or be criminally charged.
 

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This story proves yet again that the only real safety is inside your skull.
 

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Clothing my arse. The dumb arse had his finger on the trigger. It probably was a covered trigger as most holsters are these days. The problem lies with the brain, no manual, safety, and inserting the gun in the holster with finger on trigger. Bill Jordan holsters became popular because there were so many accidents with scabbard holsters. Jordan holsters have open trigger, scabbard are covered. The trigger being covered or uncovered is not the problem, the gun is not the problem, the problem is a short circuit in the brain. People do things without thinking, and this leads to Awww Shiites.

It is one reason I never carry a wallet. My personal items are always hanging from my neck under my shirt. I know how to retrieve a wallet, I know how to retrieve a gun. But doing these things in auto mode can lead to a Awww Shiite.

I carried most of my life, and still do holsters with a open trigger, revolvers with no manual safety. My finger stays off the trigger until the gun is pointed at a target. At no time before is the trigger touched, same goes for removing a safety on a semi auto, only remove it when on target and a decision has been made to shoot.

ETA that Glocks while being a gun and cannot fire by themselves. Glocks are not for everyone, the owners of these guns must be very careful when dissembling their guns to make sure they are unloaded. This goes for any gun that must be dry fired to disassemble. One of the great things about guns designed with a Hi Power style barrel link that if someone forgets or goofs up in safety checking, the gun disassembles by just pulling the slide and barrel forward as one unit. There by limiting the chances of a ND.

I was thinking the same. I have a Glock I carry in winter with a serpa holster. I have heavy clothing. I don't just jam my gun into my holster. Even from the article it sounds like he was forcing it in..!?!?!?!?!? Who the hell would do that?

I still cant figure out how clothing can elongate itself, insert itself into the trigger guard and then provide enough resistance to fire? Not saying it's impossible but highly unlikely.

WTF does the ability to accurately align the sights when shooting at a target have to do with negligently shooting yourself?

I was once working on my engine when I accidentally placed my hand to close to the spinning fan and sliced all the skin off my knuckles.

I don't understand how this happened. I'm an excellent driver.

+1 LOL....nice analogy!
 

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Oh really? so if someone runs a stop sign and no one is hurt does that mean that person should go to prison for the same sentence as T-boning a station wagon full of kids?

people have accidents in everything.

as far as AD versus ND, if correcting other people on irrelevant terminology is what makes you feel better about yourself then feel better about yourself. AD is perfectly correct term. by definition of the words used.

for that matter I can't say I feel that much better knowing a guy wears his credit cards around his neck because he can't tell the difference between a gun and a wallet is walking around carrying a gun, so there. :p

a range officer in Washington fired a shot in the air by accident at the WAC gun show, to the best of my knowledge he got a slap on the wrist too..... in states where accidental discharges are a crime it's universally a misdemeanor. and almost never prosecuted either. one shot goes to the floor, nicks the guy who fired it, and hurts no one else.... no it doesn't really strike me as something someone should lose their job over, or be criminally charged.
You really need to lay off the caffeine at your age. I can just imagine how you will be in another 50 years at the movie theater. I wear my credentials around my neck for many reasons, safety is only one of them. But you seem to think that thinking about safety, and being smart is somehow out of fashion. Maybe it is your age, but I know many young people with better common sense. Far as that is concerned anybody who would try to insult someone on where they carry their wallet or money or credit cards has serious mental problems.

BTW nobody said he should go to prison, you have some problems dude. Stop making shiite up!
 
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Oh really? so if someone runs a stop sign and no one is hurt does that mean that person should go to prison for the same sentence as T-boning a station wagon full of kids?

people have accidents in everything.

as far as AD versus ND, if correcting other people on irrelevant terminology is what makes you feel better about yourself then feel better about yourself. AD is perfectly correct term. by definition of the words used.

for that matter I can't say I feel that much better knowing a guy wears his credit cards around his neck because he can't tell the difference between a gun and a wallet is walking around carrying a gun, so there. :p

a range officer in Washington fired a shot in the air by accident at the WAC gun show, to the best of my knowledge he got a slap on the wrist too..... in states where accidental discharges are a crime it's universally a misdemeanor. and almost never prosecuted either. one shot goes to the floor, nicks the guy who fired it, and hurts no one else.... no it doesn't really strike me as something someone should lose their job over, or be criminally charged.

Running a stop sign is not an accident, it is negligent driving. Unintentionally firing a handgun is not an accident, it is negligence.

Feel free to argue all you'd like.
 

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Grip safety doesn't do jack diddly, he even says in the article he was pushing down on the gun to holster it, meaning a hand on grip, disengaging the grip safety and allowing it to be fired. so an XD would make no difference.

ADs occassionally happen, the gun was muzzle pointed down, no innocent people were hurt. hardly a huge incident. IMO
When I push down on my XD during the re-holstering process I do not engage the grip safety. It take practice, but once learned, it becomes second nature. I know that a non-manually activated external safety (1911 thumb) is a good way to prevent the wandering finger on the trigger "accident." Knowing the operation of the XD I made adjustments to mitigate a wandering finger. Glocks have no such "back-up" capability.
 

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When I push down on my XD during the re-holstering process I do not engage the grip safety. It take practice, but once learned, it becomes second nature. I know that a non-manually activated external safety (1911 thumb) is a good way to prevent the wandering finger on the trigger "accident." Knowing the operation of the XD I made adjustments to mitigate a wandering finger. Glocks have no such "back-up" capability.

No, it's not. because someone who will point the gun somewhere it doesn't belong and squeeze on the trigger cannot be trusted to properly use the safety anyway. you can look at my new signature line for a classic example of someone who a manual safety won't help.....

plenty of people have AD'd 1911s. trigger control is the key, not all kinds of switches and buttons.
 
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What I have found in my experience is people who call a ND, a AD, probably have had a few too many.

AD is the terminology I was taught in NRA safety class. It is the terminology I will use. it is perfectly descriptive. I will not go out of my way to appease people, I am not qualified to make you feel good about yourself.

I am qualified to remember to pull my wallet when paying for my starbucks instead of my gun however....... fashion notwithstanding.
 
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