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    Safeco to institute metal detectors

    http://www.komonews.com/news/local/S...241326101.html

    SEATTLE - The Seattle Mariners announced Tuesday they will screen all fans with metal detectors as they enter Safeco Field, starting with this year's season opener April 8 against the Los Angeles Angels.

    Mariners spokeswoman Rebecca Hale said the new security measure complies with Major League Baseball’s mandate that all teams implement a screening program by the start of the 2015 season.

    Hale said fans at Safeco Field will pass through walk-through magnetometers while their tickets are being scanned. Devices are being installed at all public entrances. Those who do not wish to pass through a metal detector will have the option of being checked with a hand-held device.
    So what's the final word on Safeco: Public, not public?
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    According to this it's public:

    http://www.ballpark.org/

    Welcome!

    Safeco Field, opened in July 1999, is owned by King County citizens and is overseen in trust by a municipal corporation -- the Washington State Major League Baseball Stadium Public Facilities District, commonly called the PFD.

    More than 30 million people have attended an event at Safeco Field making it one of the most popular visitor attractions in Washington. More than 400 events -- from high school graduations to corporate meetings -- are staged at Safeco Field each year in addition to the 81 home games played the Seattle Mariners.

    Safeco Field is ranked as one of the best stadiums in Major League Baseball.
    The PFD leases Safeco Field to the Seattle Mariners which manage operations and maintenance for all events in the facility.

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    If it truly is public and not leased to the mariners for games then showing a CPL "should" get you in no matter what the MLB says about it. The question is is it leased on game days?
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    I'm not sure that leasing it allows them to ban firearms, I've read the Sequim case and I don't think it's clear from that case whether that's true or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tombrewster421 View Post
    If it truly is public and not leased to the mariners for games then showing a CPL "should" get you in no matter what the MLB says about it. The question is is it leased on game days?
    That's the trick. And I think it is. Which means, now, between your car and the stadium you're SOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamfish View Post
    That's the trick. And I think it is. Which means, now, between your car and the stadium you're SOL.
    If a private corporation prohibits you from defending yourself in a time, place and manner that is completely lawful, are they liable if they don't provide adequate security and someone gets robbed, raped or murdered?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tombrewster421 View Post
    If it truly is public and not leased to the mariners for games then showing a CPL "should" get you in no matter what the MLB says about it. The question is is it leased on game days?
    and good luck getting the minimum wage ticket taker to understand that. they'll just be taught to repeat "no guns" and you end up standing there arguing about it with an idiot.
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    If they mandate pay to $15 that will magically make them smarter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpine View Post
    According to this it's public:

    http://www.ballpark.org/

    Welcome!

    Safeco Field, opened in July 1999, is owned by King County citizens and is overseen in trust by a municipal corporation -- the Washington State Major League Baseball Stadium Public Facilities District, commonly called the PFD.

    More than 30 million people have attended an event at Safeco Field making it one of the most popular visitor attractions in Washington. More than 400 events -- from high school graduations to corporate meetings -- are staged at Safeco Field each year in addition to the 81 home games played the Seattle Mariners.

    Safeco Field is ranked as one of the best stadiums in Major League Baseball.
    The PFD leases Safeco Field to the Seattle Mariners which manage operations and maintenance for all events in the facility.
    Well then the answer is to buy a ticket, bring your CPL and firearm, and when they refuse you entry (not if, when) remind them of the law, they'll tell you to leave again, then leave, and next business day take them to court.....

    I think it will end up similar to sequiem a court may agree that the municipal entity can't ban guns, so the Mariners will ban guns while leasing it, or MLB will tell the mariners to ban guns while leasing it. If its a true lease, no court will overturn the rules of the lessee. Furthermore, the stadium is not "open to the general public" and performs no nessecary government function, so the issues in chan are not present.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by emnofseattle View Post
    well then the answer is to buy a ticket, bring your cpl and firearm, and when they refuse you entry (not if, when) remind them of the law, they'll tell you to leave again, then leave, and next business day take them to court.....

    I think it will end up similar to sequiem a court may agree that the municipal entity can't ban guns, so the mariners will ban guns while leasing it, or mlb will tell the mariners to ban guns while leasing it. If its a true lease, no court will overturn the rules of the lessee. Furthermore, the stadium is not "open to the general public" and performs no nessecary government function, so the issues in chan are not present.....
    safeco field, opened in july 1999, is owned by king county citizens and is overseen in trust by a municipal corporation -- the washington state major league baseball stadium public facilities district, commonly called the pfd.
    rcw 9.41.300

    (b) restricting the possession of firearms in any stadium or convention center, operated by a city, town, county, or other municipality, except that such restrictions shall not apply to:

    (i) any pistol in the possession of a person licensed under rcw 9.41.070 or exempt from the licensing requirement by rcw 9.41.060; or
    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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    This is yet another reason why I absolutely detest professional sports (besides the fact that professional sports is all about the money nowadays). But I'll tell ya what... If somebody else pays for my ticket, I'll be glad to show up to a game while open carrying and still in possession of my CPL and a copy of state law and a copy of the above listed web site page. I will gladly add my hat to the ring if/when somebody wants to take something like this to court. All of this just proves that it's the privileged class that makes the rules in defiance of the LAW and all us peasants can either take it and like it or go back home.
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    So, instead of just crying about it on a forum, why not start an e-mail campaign?

    Sent an e-mail out reminding them of state law.... 9.41.300
    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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    The PFD leases Safeco Field to the Seattle Mariners which manage operations and maintenance for all events in the facility.


    As the lessee, the Mariners have the common law right to set rules for conduct "for all events in the facility."

    It's cut. It's dried. It's crystal clear. Preemption doesn't apply to lessees. Until the common law right to set conduct rules on de facto private property is removed, waving a web page printout
    under someone's nose is wasted energy. Why not work to change the law?

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    Quote Originally Posted by deanf View Post
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    As the lessee, the Mariners have the common law right to set rules for conduct "for all events in the facility."

    It's cut. It's dried. It's crystal clear. Preemption doesn't apply to lessees. Until the common law right to set conduct rules on de facto private property is removed, waving a web page printout
    under someone's nose is wasted energy. Why not work to change the law?
    The law covers this. It's run by the government corporation.
    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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    It's run by the government corporation.


    It's owned by the government corporation (called a municipal corporation). It's run by a private corporation, The Seattle Mariners, under a lease agreement. Lessees always have the common law right to set standards of conduct on their leased property.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deanf View Post


    It's owned by the government corporation (called a municipal corporation). It's run by a private corporation, The Seattle Mariners, under a lease agreement. Lessees always have the common law right to set standards of conduct on their leased property.
    So, that pretty much settles it. Need to find closer parking & a good vehicle safe, or just enjoy the game from home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deanf View Post


    It's owned by the government corporation (called a municipal corporation). It's run by a private corporation, The Seattle Mariners, under a lease agreement. Lessees always have the common law right to set standards of conduct on their leased property.
    This is all shady as F.

    If it's government owned then they should not be able to prohibit guns per the intent of the law.
    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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    They steal money from the public to build it, and then side step public law.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    They steal money from the public to build it, and then side step public law.
    my heart literally bleeds for all the poor property tax payers who own bars, restaurants, and motels and parking garages in SoDo, who have to put up with huge profit margins on game day, and increased business, and increased property value, they must be so oppressed over there, how will they ever get through this....
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    I understand the lease argument but this is not office space or some random building, this is a publicly owned stadium, which is actually specifically named IN the RCW. I have a feeling that the courts could be persuaded to stop allowing the government this little shell game they are playing but it would require money and time to litigate.

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    I have a feeling that the courts could be persuaded to stop allowing the government this little shell game they are playing but it would require money and time to litigate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    my heart literally bleeds for all the poor property tax payers who own bars, restaurants, and motels and parking garages in SoDo, who have to put up with huge profit margins on game day, and increased business, and increased property value, they must be so oppressed over there, how will they ever get through this....


    Not going to argue against what I said. Plus your statement is whack!
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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