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    To Freedom First: I am sorry.

    Freedom First,

    I want to issue you a very pubic apology. I behaved toward you in a way that is inexcusable. By way of explanation, not an excuse, I did mix you up with another poster who deserves what you got! I am sorry.

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    Forgiven.

    Many of us seem to get a bit too involved, too personal, even too mean when we see the other as mere pixels on a screen. I am just as guilty.

    We should all remember that there's a human typing at the other end of the web. A little grace and mercy goes a long way.
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    Thank you.


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    Learn from this

    Eye95 and Freedom First handled this admirably. Kudos to both of you.

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    where's my apology ?

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    To Freedom First: I am sorry.

    Quote Originally Posted by fjpro2a View Post
    Eye95 and Freedom First handled this admirably. Kudos to both of you.
    Thank you.

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    A whole thread to say "im sorry"...

    Now that's gay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by georg jetson View Post
    A whole thread to say "im sorry"...

    Now that's gay.

    Found it admirable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Found it admirable.
    Indeed.
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    Eye95 and Freedom First...

    Both of you folks displayed a great deal of class.

    If we spread "class" around on OCDO the site will become a more pleasurable and educational site to visit and belong...

    You both are " class " acts...

    My .02

    Thank you both and best regards

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    I found myself back at OCDO after being gone for a while and wondering why we do this. Sit and bash at the keyboard, often arguing about irrelevancies, day after day. I think it's the people. You are good folks. So, regardless of who you are and how much we disagree, we should all look up from the keys and remember, "This is a human I am dealing with. A human with a life. Trials. A past. Pain perhaps. And how am I treating this person?"

    Personally, it gave me a check in my heart. I'm guilty of messing with folks. I've written things I would never have said to the person to their face. And I am ashamed.

    So, today and from this point on, I will be striving to be honest and decent at the same time. It can be done but it takes a few seconds longer before sending your post. Perhaps we can move this place up a notch.

    Just sayin'.
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    I contracted diabetes from reading this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Found it admirable.
    Sorry man, but I gota disagree. The ole gorilla's a drama queen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom First View Post
    I found myself back at OCDO after being gone for a while and wondering why we do this. Sit and bash at the keyboard, often arguing about irrelevancies, day after day. I think it's the people. You are good folks. So, regardless of who you are and how much we disagree, we should all look up from the keys and remember, "This is a human I am dealing with. A human with a life. Trials. A past. Pain perhaps. And how am I treating this person?"

    Personally, it gave me a check in my heart. I'm guilty of messing with folks. I've written things I would never have said to the person to their face. And I am ashamed.

    So, today and from this point on, I will be striving to be honest and decent at the same time. It can be done but it takes a few seconds longer before sending your post. Perhaps we can move this place up a notch.

    Just sayin'.
    +1 to this!!!

    I will strive as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    Freedom First,

    I want to issue you a very pubic apology. I behaved toward you in a way that is inexcusable. By way of explanation, not an excuse, I did mix you up with another poster who deserves what you got! I am sorry.
    So, who was the intended victim of your wrath?
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    I contracted diabetes from reading this thread.
    Now THAT made me LOL. I don't approve of many of your posts' content or lack of context, but as Citizen put it, sometimes you drop a real gem into the conversation.

    OT: when you look in front of you and only see a screen and keyboard it can be easy to forget we are speaking with other individuals like us. Add to that the fact that many members have non-human avatars, and it is easy to forget you're addressing other Freedom-loving individuals (why else would they be posting meaningful content here on OCDO?) who may differ in opinion BUT have share the same goals for this country, not a carrot-eating gorilla, a P226 (?), or an indestructible shield belonging to a science-fiction superhero.
    If anything, this event can serve as a reminder that we may need to have more get-togethers in members' respective cities/states.
    Glad you two could make peace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Young Man View Post
    Now THAT made me LOL.
    Me too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Young Man View Post
    OT: when you look in front of you and only see a screen and keyboard it can be easy to forget we are speaking with other individuals like us. Add to that the fact that many members have non-human avatars, and it is easy to forget you're addressing other Freedom-loving individuals (why else would they be posting meaningful content here on OCDO?) who may differ in opinion BUT have share the same goals for this country, not a carrot-eating gorilla, a P226 (?), or an indestructible shield belonging to a science-fiction superhero.
    If anything, this event can serve as a reminder that we may need to have more get-togethers in members' respective cities/states.
    I haven't gotten a OC dinner together in a while... Good point.

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    Glad you two could make peace.
    Me too. I have respect for someone who sticks to his guns, regardless of the scorn of others. I would suggest that some of our Founders had the same sort of edge to them. They had to. Look at what they were facing? Generally I try to listen to the idea, to glean what I need to learn rather than focusing on who is right. Mostly.

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    Well,,,,

    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    Freedom First,

    I want to issue you a very pubic apology. I behaved toward you in a way that is inexcusable. By way of explanation, not an excuse, I did mix you up with another poster who deserves what you got! I am sorry.
    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    So, who was the intended victim of your wrath?
    I too, just gotta say,,, why a separate thread to say, sorry to freedom first?

    I have spent much time trying to find a thread where eye95 and
    someone that may be confused with freedom first got in a argument.
    just cant find it...

    It would have made much more sense for eye95 to make his apology in the thread
    where he made the mistaken accusation for which he is making this apology!
    Then we could All follow along,,,, and say,,, OH so thats what happened!!!

    I mean, Really!!! Just Who did eye dis? Why did he dis him?
    How did eye dis freedom first instead of the Real object of his wrath?

    I even wonder if freedom first even knows what or why eye95 is apologizing to him?
    I know that I, and probably many others have no idea just what happened here!

    Color me,,, in the dark.,...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom First View Post
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    Me too. I have respect for someone who sticks to his guns, regardless of the scorn of others. I would suggest that some of our Founders had the same sort of edge to them. They had to. Look at what they were facing? Generally I try to listen to the idea, to glean what I need to learn rather than focusing on who is right. Mostly.

    SNIPPED
    I believe you might have misapplied an old idiom. "Sticking to your guns" typically means that one's convictions on an issue outweigh their need for approval, and are willing to buck other's attempts to sway them.

    It most cases, I find that an admirable trait.

    However, that is not what we are seeing here with eye95. Not even close. What you THINK is "sticking to his guns" is little more than a full fledged temper tantrum cloaked in arrogance and attempted to be passed as superior standing and privilege.

    We've seen the gamut of tantrum antics: "I'm gonna hold my breath until my face turns blue", "I'm gonna run away form home and then you'll be sorry" to "I hate you" to the authority figures present. That is not "Sticking to one's guns". That's a tantrum. And with all tantrums, the end goal is to get one's way. Getting "one's way" is different than "sticking to one's guns".

    This behavior is not limited to humans on brain tilt. Pigs are notorious for throwing fits. They will attempt to intimidate, charge at handlers, bare teeth, those failing, will launch into tirades of squealing that equal or surpass a jet engine in decibels. Deafening and painful, those in the proximity of the pig typically back off, hoping to find a less painful method of dealing with the pig. I'm not talking about a fear based reaction, rather, a pig-headed stance that the pig will dominate, and has taken a stance to challenge all comers in maintaining that position. It can be dangerous to allow that behavior to go unchecked, as the pig learns they can get their way by "sticking to their guns". Once that is ingrained in the hog's mind, it is hard to break them of it. You might try beating it out of them, however, you can't trust a pig. You never know when they will take advantage of an opening and attack. Options, once they develop the mindset that they dominate, are limited to confinement until they are finished off and butchered, or put out of your misery.

    I think my metaphors fit better in this situation than "I sure admire your ability to stick to your guns".

    The most disturbing revelation of these tantrums is the blatant hypocrisy. There's nothing admirable about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    I too, just gotta say,,, why a separate thread to say, sorry to freedom first?

    I have spent much time trying to find a thread where eye95 and
    someone that may be confused with freedom first got in a argument.
    just cant find it...

    It would have made much more sense for eye95 to make his apology in the thread
    where he made the mistaken accusation for which he is making this apology!
    Then we could All follow along,,,, and say,,, OH so thats what happened!!!

    I mean, Really!!! Just Who did eye dis? Why did he dis him?
    How did eye dis freedom first instead of the Real object of his wrath?

    I even wonder if freedom first even knows what or why eye95 is apologizing to him?
    I know that I, and probably many others have no idea just what happened here!

    Color me,,, in the dark.,...
    I noticed that he was not apologizing for laying his wrath in the first place but rather aiming at and hitting the wrong target. Maybe they were wearing similar hats?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    I too, just gotta say,,, why a separate thread to say, sorry to freedom first?

    I have spent much time trying to find a thread where eye95 and
    someone that may be confused with freedom first got in a argument.
    just cant find it...

    It would have made much more sense for eye95 to make his apology in the thread
    where he made the mistaken accusation for which he is making this apology!
    Then we could All follow along,,,, and say,,, OH so thats what happened!!!

    I mean, Really!!! Just Who did eye dis? Why did he dis him?
    How did eye dis freedom first instead of the Real object of his wrath?

    I even wonder if freedom first even knows what or why eye95 is apologizing to him?
    I know that I, and probably many others have no idea just what happened here!

    Color me,,, in the dark.,...
    Lemme venture a guess....

    The "public apology" is little more than a manipulation, all part of the tantrum. "Here everybody. See my display of humility? My apology evidence of my civility that excuses my threats of running away from home and telling the Mod "I hate you?"

    Little more than a far reaching attempt to balance out his hissy fit. Never underestimate the extremes and bizarre those fueled by self pity will reach for.
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    You guys... Does it really matter? So what if he is a hypocrite? I sure am. Aren't you? Guys, if you can be honest with yourselves you will see that we all are in some degree.

    And here's a question: Do you know him? Ever met him? Know his family? Probably not. What you know is words. Typed words on the INTERNET. I don't know him from Adam. I could walk right by him on the street and other than noticing the handgun at his hip, he would be unknown to me. And to most of you as well I might add.

    When faced with things like this I often ask myself the following question, "In 100 years, will anyone care?" Generally the answer is a resounding, "No." And so, I ask you, in 100 years will anyone care what you think of Eye95? I'll let you answer that one for yourself.

    People, we only get one ride on this rock and personally I won't waste it making enemies. Him, you, anyone who doesn't really, truly, deeply deserve it. Also please try to remember that this is only an INTERNET FORUM. It's a virtual room in a virtual world where we type little messages to one another. None of this really means ANYTHING unless YOU LEARN SOMETHING USEFUL. Otherwise, it's simply wasted life energy. So, make your time here count.

    I hope you all have a great week!
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    Well,,,,

    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom First View Post
    You guys... Does it really matter? So what if he is a hypocrite? I sure am. Aren't you? Guys, if you can be honest with yourselves you will see that we all are in some degree.

    And here's a question: Do you know him? Ever met him? Know his family? Probably not. What you know is words. Typed words on the INTERNET. I don't know him from Adam. I could walk right by him on the street and other than noticing the handgun at his hip, he would be unknown to me. And to most of you as well I might add.

    When faced with things like this I often ask myself the following question, "In 100 years, will anyone care?" Generally the answer is a resounding, "No." And so, I ask you, in 100 years will anyone care what you think of Eye95? I'll let you answer that one for yourself.

    People, we only get one ride on this rock and personally I won't waste it making enemies. Him, you, anyone who doesn't really, truly, deeply deserve it. Also please try to remember that this is only an INTERNET FORUM. It's a virtual room in a virtual world where we type little messages to one another. None of this really means ANYTHING unless YOU LEARN SOMETHING USEFUL. Otherwise, it's simply wasted life energy. So, make your time here count.

    I hope you all have a great week!
    Soooo, by your response here,,,,
    I deduce that your have no more understanding of what has
    happened here than anyone of us here does...

    I do have some understanding of who or what eye95 is,,,
    He looks like this,,,,


    He really is not a carrot chewing gorilla...

    “eye95” on Internet gun forums, wears a gun to the rally.







    I have read most every word he has wrote on this forum,,, for Years...

    He doesnt waste too much time being Civil, not very much time at all,, most times, he behaves like an a$$...

    Then he blames someone else...
    This time he made a big point of apologizing to someone that he was uncivil to by mistake!
    But I dont see an apology to the guy,,, or an reiteration for the ire that started this cluster fjck!!!

    If eye95 leaves now, I will forget about him, in 100 years,,, maybe in 5, but not in 1, not next month, etc...
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    EMNofSeattle wrote: Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny.....

    “If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”

    Stand up for your Rights,, They have no authority on their own...

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    it is their right and duty to be at all times ARMED!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom First View Post
    You guys... Does it really matter? So what if he is a hypocrite? I sure am. Aren't you? Guys, if you can be honest with yourselves you will see that we all are in some degree.

    And here's a question: Do you know him? Ever met him? Know his family? Probably not. What you know is words. Typed words on the INTERNET. I don't know him from Adam. I could walk right by him on the street and other than noticing the handgun at his hip, he would be unknown to me. And to most of you as well I might add.

    When faced with things like this I often ask myself the following question, "In 100 years, will anyone care?" Generally the answer is a resounding, "No." And so, I ask you, in 100 years will anyone care what you think of Eye95? I'll let you answer that one for yourself.

    People, we only get one ride on this rock and personally I won't waste it making enemies. Him, you, anyone who doesn't really, truly, deeply deserve it. Also please try to remember that this is only an INTERNET FORUM. It's a virtual room in a virtual world where we type little messages to one another. None of this really means ANYTHING unless YOU LEARN SOMETHING USEFUL. Otherwise, it's simply wasted life energy. So, make your time here count.

    I hope you all have a great week!
    Well said in general

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    Soooo, by your response here,,,,
    I deduce that your have no more understanding of what has
    happened here than anyone of us here does...

    I do have some understanding of who or what eye95 is,,,
    He looks like this,,,,


    He really is not a carrot chewing gorilla...

    “eye95” on Internet gun forums, wears a gun to the rally.







    I have read most every word he has wrote on this forum,,, for Years...

    He doesnt waste too much time being Civil, not very much time at all,, most times, he behaves like an a$$...

    Then he blames someone else...
    This time he made a big point of apologizing to someone that he was uncivil to by mistake!
    But I dont see an apology to the guy,,, or an reiteration for the ire that started this cluster fjck!!!

    If eye95 leaves now, I will forget about him, in 100 years,,, maybe in 5, but not in 1, not next month, etc...

    Um, how much time did it take for you to find, http://www.dispatch.com/content/stor...-efforts.html# ?
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