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    Best defensive round!!!

    Found this on another website. I think its safe to say that this will make hollowpoints pretty much second rate. Let me know what you guys think!


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    There are at least two threads on it already.

    It's a gimmick. It's crap.

    It might work, but it will do nothing better than existing bullets (that I can readily think of), and many things worse.
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    gimmick?

    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    There are at least two threads on it already.

    It's a gimmick. It's crap.

    It might work, but it will do nothing better than existing bullets (that I can readily think of), and many things worse.
    It may be but the video of the round going through the balloon is fabulous
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Birdman View Post
    It may be but the video of the round going through the balloon is fabulous
    That must be where they got the idea for the part on the advertisement that says it penetrates all known barriers...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    That must be where they got the idea for the part on the advertisement that says it penetrates all known barriers...
    Yeah, they say it goes through concrete, but when you watch, it only penetrates the first layer of the concrete block... Most other rounds will too.

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    Looks like it literally cuts through the material then sends the center of the bullet through. The balloon shows it pretty clear. The video mentions it "saws" through whatever material its shooting. So I wonder what the weight of the round that actually stays together is. Its a very light bullet anyways and you lose the mass to those "teeth" sheering off. Can also see a problem with trying to hand loading then and getting a little more power. I'm assuming once you reach a certain muzzle velocity and depending on the twist of the barrel, you my too much spin on it and I wonder it would come apart prematurely.

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    Some old lady will cut herself loading the rounds and then sue the ammo company...
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    Still say the best defensive round is between your ears

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    Quote Originally Posted by mpguy View Post
    Still say the best defensive round is between your ears

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    Disagree, I say the best defensive bullet is in between the bad guys ears.
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    True statement lol

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    Unless the price is there with other good preforming hollow points. I don't that I well be replacing the ammo I am carrying now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpguy View Post
    Still say the best defensive round is between your ears

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    Disagree, I say the best defensive bullet is in between the bad guys ears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Birdman View Post
    It may be but the video of the round going through the balloon is fabulous
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    Let that serve as a lesson to all balloons contemplating criminal activity! I can only imagine the fear this video strikes into the heart of the party favors that view it.

    No sooner does Bob Munden, the world's greatest balloon slayer, pass away, than the next greatest threat to the physical integrity of inflatables rears its ugly head.

    Of course, I may be taken unawares, but I'm not planning on facing many violent attacks undertaken by nefarious minded balloons at any point in the future, so I'll contain my bedazzlement at the neato-bandito, flim-flammy, goo-gaw bullet and stick with the tried and true, proven man stoppers: name brand hollow points.
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    What is the MV again?
    What is the maximum MV before that thing goes to splinters while in flight?

    Why is there not even a plastic nose to help it move through the air better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superlite27 View Post
    Let that serve as a lesson to all balloons contemplating criminal activity! I can only imagine the fear this video strikes into the heart of the party favors that view it.

    No sooner does Bob Munden, the world's greatest balloon slayer, pass away, than the next greatest threat to the physical integrity of inflatables rears its ugly head.

    Of course, I may be taken unawares, but I'm not planning on facing many violent attacks undertaken by nefarious minded balloons at any point in the future, so I'll contain my bedazzlement at the neato-bandito, flim-flammy, goo-gaw bullet and stick with the tried and true, proven man stoppers: name brand hollow points.
    Not all "balloons" are created equal.

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    I did find the video of the bullet exiting the balloon to be interesting.

    I do not find the bullet to be bad or good interesting nice to see designers coming up with new ideas and getting them to the market place.

    The manufactures are doing a good job of marketing.

    If the price is right I might buy a box for testing as I like to do that and have been doing so for 40 plus years

    If they turn out to work, function well I would considering using them but not based on a marking video.
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    The low possibility of collateral damage should be considered.

    Example: The first round, or follow on rounds, merely clips a target and then the projectile design and physics take over. I'm rather comfortable knowing that my round will likely only hit one target and I hope it is my intended target.

    They should have shown it hitting a B-29 target.

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    I will not be loading these rounds in any firearm I possess. All of the chatter about penetration, wound channel, ballistics, etc. aside, the primary reason I will not load these is the assured cross examination by the plaintiff's attorney that I loaded my firearm with a bullet designed to kill an attacker by inflicting the greatest possible harm. We do not shoot to kill. We shoot to stop the threat, and that is accomplished in many cases without causing death. I load my firearms with ammunition that is effective in stopping the threat -- Speer Gold Dots -- which the FBI has determined are among the most effective self defense rounds available.

    I am not going to be sitting in the witness chair while some attorney is characterizing me as some kind of vigilante hoping to find some "innocent, socially deprived child" to kill with my R.I.P. bullets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesCanby View Post
    I will not be loading these rounds in any firearm I possess. All of the chatter about penetration, wound channel, ballistics, etc. aside, the primary reason I will not load these is the assured cross examination by the plaintiff's attorney that I loaded my firearm with a bullet designed to kill an attacker by inflicting the greatest possible harm. We do not shoot to kill. We shoot to stop the threat, and that is accomplished in many cases without causing death. I load my firearms with ammunition that is effective in stopping the threat -- Speer Gold Dots -- which the FBI has determined are among the most effective self defense rounds available.

    I am not going to be sitting in the witness chair while some attorney is characterizing me as some kind of vigilante hoping to find some "innocent, socially deprived child" to kill with my R.I.P. bullets.

    If the prosecutor so decide to place your ammo on trial also, he could do it with any ammo you used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    They should have shown it hitting a B-29 target.
    What's the point of that? It'd be the same as any JHP hitting paper.

    Lots of misunderstanding about this round which IMHO is a dumb gimmick.

    This is a lightweight round (90-something grain) that sheds much of its mass on first contact with a target. Those shards are going to make life difficult for the medics to patch the guy up, but they're probably not going to go deep enough to sever major arteries or nerves in a manner to bring down an attacker.

    The rounds will not "first cut through concrete, then splinter"....think about it. Your gun has a rifling pattern such that for ever 10-20 inches (depends on the gun) the bullet travels forward, it spins around once. Granted that spin rate may increase _very slightly_ since over a distance the forward speed will decrease more than the rotation speed. But it's still not going to be like a boring cutter drilling a hole. Darn near any 9mm, .40, .45 etc bullet is going to go through a layer or two of cinder block just like these will.

    The only piece with reasonable penetration is the core of the round, after it's shucked much (half?) its weight and diameter when the "trocar" spikes separated.

    Me, I'd rather have my bullet remain intact, making the biggest hole possible to effective depth. I don't want a 9mm that turns into a .22 with additional surface tissue damage.

    I've seen many people say it was "just like black talon". No, black talons were an ordinary hollow point where part of the jacket would peel off the lead substrate leaving the "talon-like" tips. This too was more of a marketing gimmick. The SXT, Ranger-T and PDX rounds are all substantially similar, evolutionary upgrades, to the black talon design...just without the catchy name and marketing.

    These rounds make interesting videos, but I'm not looking to buy any.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firearms Iinstuctor View Post
    If the prosecutor so decide to place your ammo on trial also, he could do it with any ammo you used.
    Yes, he could, but I believe that I am rather safer from that situation by using a round that has been vetted for use by the FBI and which is in common usage by law enforcement throughout the country, than a round that is being hyped the way the R.I.P. is being advertised. Use whatever ammunition you like, FI. I'm going to use a round that is judged to be effective without all the baggage of being a "killer" bullet.
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