Results 1 to 11 of 11

Thread: Senate Coup d'état -- Saslaw and McEachin ruin committees

  1. #1
    Regular Member Repeater's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Richmond, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    2,519

    Senate Coup d'état -- Saslaw and McEachin ruin committees

    See for yourself:

    * Courts of Justice
    OLD:
    Membership: Norment (Chairman), Saslaw, Marsh, Howell, Lucas, Edwards, Puller, Obenshain, McDougle, McEachin, Stuart, Vogel, Stanley, Reeves, Garrett

    NEW:
    Membership: Marsh (Chairman), McEachin, Saslaw, Norment, Howell, Lucas, Edwards, Puller, Obenshain, McDougle, Petersen, Stuart, Vogel, Stanley, Wexton

    See here -- the RULES!

  2. #2
    Regular Member TFred's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Most historic town in, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    7,705
    The Democrats always find a new way to cheat.

    This may be the most damaging rule change, from the FLS website:

    While much of the debate over the new rules and the committee changes was parliamentary, Republicans saved a lot of their protest for a new rule change from Democrats that allows any Senate bill that is substantially amended by the House to be diverted to the Senate Rules committee.

    Democrats said it was prompted by the way a bill that added new restrictions to abortion clinics was passed — a House amendment to a Senate bill that then came straight back to the full Senate and passed. They swore it would rarely be used.

    Republicans weren’t comforted; Sen. Walter Stosch, R-Chesterfield, called it “one of the most dangerous amendments” he’s seen.

    This was also the same method used to finally pass the CHP privacy bill last year. This change clearly disenfranchises the people of Virginia by denying the full Senate a final up or down vote on a bill.

    TFred

  3. #3
    Activist Member JamesCanby's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Alexandria, VA at www.NoVA-MDSelfDefense.com
    Posts
    1,543
    I thought that the senate was evenly divided. How is it that the Democrats get to make the rules?
    Air Force Veteran
    NRA Life Member
    VCDL Member
    NRA Certified Chief Range Safety Officer
    NRA Certified Instructor: Pistol, Rifle, Shotgun, Home Firearm Safety, Personal Protection
    Maryland Qualified Handgun Instructor
    Certified Instructor, Associated Gun Clubs of Baltimore, Inc.
    Member, Mt. Washington Rod & Gun Club
    National Sporting Clays Association Certified Referee

  4. #4
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    VA
    Posts
    519
    Quote Originally Posted by JamesCanby View Post
    I thought that the senate was evenly divided. How is it that the Democrats get to make the rules?
    Democrat Lt Governor gets to break tie votes.

  5. #5
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    earth's crust
    Posts
    17,838
    Joint, House, or Senate rules are more guidelines than rules. They are not mandatory. Review your state's case law and you'll find out.

    And I love it when a party does something to benefit them today to have it screw them later on.

  6. #6
    Regular Member Thundar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Newport News, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    4,961
    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Joint, House, or Senate rules are more guidelines than rules. They are not mandatory. Review your state's case law and you'll find out.

    And I love it when a party does something to benefit them today to have it screw them later on.
    As ya sow, so shall ye reap. Republicans did it first, now they are being screwed by it.
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come …………. PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

  7. #7
    Regular Member TFred's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Most historic town in, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    7,705
    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    And I love it when a party does something to benefit them today to have it screw them later on.
    Quote Originally Posted by Thundar View Post
    As ya sow, so shall ye reap. Republicans did it first, now they are being screwed by it.
    No. The Republicans followed the rules, and reorganized at the proper time in the election cycle. The Democrats once again proudly proclaimed that rules don't apply to them, and did what they had to do to disenfranchise the people of Virginia.

    When a person in leadership uses the fact that a bill "came straight back to the full Senate and passed" as a reason to institute procedures to stop that from happening, you know we're done with a representative government.

    TFred

  8. #8
    Regular Member Repeater's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Richmond, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    2,519

    Official Statement from the Republican Senate Caucus

    Official Statement from the Republican Senate Caucus
    “Effective today, the Senate of Virginia has ceased to operate under rules consistent with the custom, usage, and tradition of the Senate,” Norment remarked. “There is a dark shadow hanging over the Senate today. It has not been the Senate of Virginia’s proudest day.

    “Abandoning the body’s rich traditions, they have put forward operating procedures that are, by design, intended to be changed and altered depending on the circumstances, effectively managing by caprice. The Senate of Virginia is no longer a deliberative body and, with today’s actions, barely a legislative one.”

    “As a member of the Senate, I am astounded that a Caucus with senior members could have orchestrated today’s debacle,” Stanley noted. “To think that these anti-democratic, anti-transparent procedures were generated by the same Caucus whose members were bemoaning the bi-partisan ethics reform package as inadequate adds a level of hypocrisy heretofore unseen in the Senate of Virginia.”

    “In a day full of outrageous power grabs, the decision by Senate Democrats to transform the Rules Committee into a ‘super committee,’ and granting extraordinary powers to a single senator rates as most outrageous,” declared McDougle.

    “Senate Republicans take solace in the knowledge that now, thanks to today’s rulings by the Lieutenant Governor Northam, the Senate is merely an absence away from reorganization. That may not amount to stability in the procedures of the Senate, but, unlike our Democrat colleagues, we know how to follow rules.”

  9. #9
    Regular Member Repeater's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Richmond, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    2,519

    PolitFact: "FULL Flip-Flop!!"

    The Truth-O-Meter Says:

    Democrats’ views on power sharing in the state Senate have come a long way.

    Each political party controls 20 seats in the state Senate, just like they did two years ago. But the the Democrats senators’ view has hardened now that they have the tie-breaking vote.

    Let’s go back to November 2011 elections when Republicans gained two Senate seats, splitting the partisan count in the chamber down the middle and setting the stage for GOP Lt. Gov. Bill Bolling to cast tie-breaking votes on legislation.

    A few weeks later, Republicans decreed that Bolling’s tie-breaking vote also applied to Senate rules and that with his support, they would they would push through a reorganization that would give the GOP chairmanship of all committees.

    Democrats protested, saying Bolling’s tie-breaking powers did not give him a say in establishing the internal rules of the Senate. Sen. Donald McEachin, D-Henrico, said "Bolling is not a member of the Senate," and unsuccessfully asked a judge to stop the reorganization.

    McEachin, the chairman of the chamber’s Democratic caucus, denounced the GOP’s reorganization as "an arrogant power grab."

    Sen. Richard L. Saslaw, a Fairfax County Democrat who stood to lose his post as majority leader, agreed.

    "Virginians elected 20 senators of each party, and it’s only right the power in the Senate is divided equally," Saslaw told the Richmond Times-Dispatch. "The Republicans are trying to overrule the will of the people and claim a majority they did not earn."

    On Jan. 11, 2012, Senate Republicans, with Bolling’s support, pushed through a resolution giving their party chairmanships of all the committees and majority membership on the major panels. The measure passed on a 21-20 vote.

    "It’s grossly unfair to the citizens of Virginia who voted for a 20-20 Senate," said Sen. John S. Edwards, D-Roanoke, according to the Richmond Times-Dispatch. "I think the citizens of Virginia want the Senate of Virginia to engage in a power-sharing agreement."

    But Republicans were not sympathetic. Sen. Tommy Norment, who was poised to become the new majority leader, said the reorganization was a "rearticulation of Senate rules" that the GOP found "appropriate."

    Now, let’s flash forward. In November 2013, Democrat Ralph Northam was elected lieutenant governor. And this Monday, Democrat Lynwood Lewis was declared the winner of a special election to take Northam’s seat in the Senate.

    On Tuesday, Lewis was sworn in, giving Democrats a 21-20 edge with Northam’s tie-breaking vote. That allowed the Democrats to push through their own reorganization on a series of 21-20 votes. Democrats gave themselves the leadership of all committees -- although it should be noted they agreed to share the chairmanship of the powerful Finance Committee with Republican Walter Stosch, a bipartisan gesture the GOP was unwilling to make two years ago.

    Echoing Republican actions of 2012, the Democrats gave themselves majorities on all committees but two: Local Government; and Rehabilitation and Social Services.

    Republicans, perhaps mindful of their actions two years ago, did not call on the Democrats to share power or contest the lieutenant governor’s right to break the tie votes. But they did complain about several new precedents the Democrats set, including one that would empower the Rules Committee to kill Senate bills that are "significantly amended" by the Republican-led House of Delegates. In the past, House amendments to Senate bills were considered by the full Senate.

    The Democrats’ reorganization plan was authored by McEachin -- the same person who called the GOP takeover two years ago "an arrogant power grab." McEachin said his change of view this year is rooted in the GOP’s actions two years ago. During debate, he frequently repeated Norment’s 2012 line about "a rearticulation of Senate rules."

    Saslaw, in a written statement after the vote, said time have changed. "We now have a majority and we have a responsibility to use that majority to work on the issues voters care about," he wrote.

    No doubt, the Senate Democrats have U-turned on power sharing. We rate it a "Full Flop."
    Saslaw's Law: The Ends Justify the Means!

  10. #10
    Regular Member streetdoc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Unionville, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    342
    Both parties are corrupt, it doesn't really matter which one you associate with. Republicans are better for gun rights but are worse for civil liberties, Democrats are better for civil liberties liberties but are worse for gun rights and they feel it is appropriate to take from the rich and redistribute to those that will not work.
    I have a real problem with both parties, I am a strong supported of individual civil liberties, gun rights, and, getting what you work for.
    'Till the last landings made, and we stand unafraid, on a shore not mortal has seen,
    'Till the last bugle call, sounds taps for us all,
    It's Semper Fidelis, MARINE!

  11. #11
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    , Virginia, USA
    Posts
    227
    Quote Originally Posted by streetdoc View Post
    ...Democrats are better for civil liberties liberties...
    Like the apparent targeting of conservative individuals, groups, and organizations.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •