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    I-591 certified; more signatures than I-594

    I-591 certified with more signatures than gun control measure

    Initiative 591 was officially certified today by Secretary of State Kim Wyman, and according to the count, it garnered more signatures than the opposing measure, Initiative 594…

    http://www.examiner.com/article/i-59...ontrol-measure



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    Well this is what I've notices lately, that liberals have taken huge advatage of Citizens United and have outspent conservatives, in some cases up to 6 to 1, to either lose, or to win by such a small margin that the money almost doesn't work out.

    examples are the Colorado Recall, the Virginia executive races, the Colorado education tax measure, etc. and now 594.

    a few more "victories" will about bankrupt them I think...
    they love our milk and honey, but they preach about some other way of living, when they're running down my country man they're walkin' on the fightin side of me

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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Well this is what I've notices lately, that liberals have taken huge advatage of Citizens United and have outspent conservatives, in some cases up to 6 to 1, to either lose, or to win by such a small margin that the money almost doesn't work out.

    examples are the Colorado Recall, the Virginia executive races, the Colorado education tax measure, etc. and now 594.

    a few more "victories" will about bankrupt them I think...

    Yeah, but they can't keep up with you at a microphone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    Washington Alliance for Gun Responsibility facebook:
    https://www.facebook.com/WashingtonA...Responsibility



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    Good job but it is most likely deleted by now.
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    Do we know how many signed both? If not, comparing the numbers reveals nothing.

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    Numbers, what do they mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by deanf View Post
    Do we know how many signed both? If not, comparing the numbers reveals nothing.
    The Washington Office of the Secretary of State’s blog, From Our Corner .

    Scroll down about 2/3 the way down.

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    The Washington Office of the Secretary of State’s blog, From Our Corner .

    Scroll down about 2/3 the way down.

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    That blog post has nothing to do with my comment? I don't understand . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by deanf View Post
    That blog post has nothing to do with my comment? I don't understand . . .[/COLOR]
    I did a poor job of reading your previous post, I apologize for that. I should have re-read the complete post/reply before hitting the go button.

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    Can anyone tell me what a "public safety background check" is?

    Reading through 594 it looks as if they have intentions to create a state-wide background check that would be in addition to the current one.
    (1) The results of all required background checks are known and the purchaser or transferee is not prohibited from owning or
    possessing a firearm under federal or state law;

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    That means that, according to the signatures, at least 3,000+ MORE people were AGAINST the background checks!


    Not unless we know how many signed both.

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    Wowwie!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by deanf View Post
    Not unless we know how many signed both.[/COLOR]
    You keep saying that, as if it changes the comparison!

    If,,, ANY number of folks signed both, then ANY number can be subtracted from both...

    Net change? NONE!

    591 got more sigs than 594
    EMNofSeattle wrote: Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny.....

    “If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”

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    [591 got more sigs than 594[/quote]

    Right, but if we don't know the motivations of each signer, then conclusions can't be drawn from the numbers.

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    Well,,,

    Quote Originally Posted by deanf View Post
    Do we know how many signed both? If not, comparing the numbers reveals nothing.
    Quote Originally Posted by deanf View Post
    Not unless we know how many signed both.[/COLOR]
    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    You keep saying that, as if it changes the comparison!

    If,,, ANY number of folks signed both, then ANY number can be subtracted from both...

    Net change? NONE!

    591 got more sigs than 594
    Quote Originally Posted by deanf View Post
    [591 got more sigs than 594

    Right, but if we don't know the motivations of each signer, then conclusions can't be drawn from the numbers.
    If,,, 346,834 folks were MOTIVATED enough to sign both,,, because they both say "background checks"...
    Then,,, I can CONCLUDE that 3,026 of us were smart enough to only sign the one we want on the ballet...

    BTW? Will they both be on the ballet?
    What if each one gets more yes votes than no votes?
    Will their be a special vote to pick one?
    Can they both exist as Washington state laws?
    Last edited by 1245A Defender; 02-07-2014 at 03:40 AM.
    EMNofSeattle wrote: Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny.....

    “If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”

    Stand up for your Rights,, They have no authority on their own...

    All power is inherent in the people,
    it is their right and duty to be at all times ARMED!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    If,,, 346,834 folks were MOTIVATED enough to sign both,,, because they both say "background checks"...
    Then,,, I can CONCLUDE that 3,026 of us were smart enough to only sign the one we want on the ballet...

    BTW? Will they both be on the ballet?
    What if each one gets more yes votes than no votes?
    Will their be a special vote to pick one?
    Can they both exist as Washington state laws?
    No, they both cannot exist together as Washington state laws. They are mutually exclusive. Because I-591 says that background checks must conform to a uniform federal standard which does not include background checks on private sales or in fact on "all transfers". It really has to be one or the other.
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    The nightmare scenario is if they both pass.

    Theoretically they do not cancel each other out. 591 would essentially put 594 on an indefinite hold and if the feds ever adopted a national standard that was what 594 is, then 594 would go into effect. So if both passed 591 should legally pause 594 from going into effect.

    However... I don't think the courts would correctly interpret them that way. There are a lot of people who mistakenly believe they are mutually exclusive, and when Komo interviewed a former state supreme court judge, the judge suggested the court might "pick the one that got the most votes," which of course is an insane approach. However, given the rampant insanity and unconstitutional actions we've seen from this court as demonstrated by the McCleary decision, they just well might do that.

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    Well,,,

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim_Night View Post
    No, they both cannot exist together as Washington state laws. They are mutually exclusive. Because I-591 says that background checks must conform to a uniform federal standard which does not include background checks on private sales or in fact on "all transfers". It really has to be one or the other.

    Really, I DO understand.
    My "BTW" was just some musing about two competing bills on one ballet.

    I wonder if they may be presented for a vote as...

    VOTE FOR ONE ONLY!!!

    . I want 591
    . I want 594
    . I dont want either one!
    EMNofSeattle wrote: Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny.....

    “If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”

    Stand up for your Rights,, They have no authority on their own...

    All power is inherent in the people,
    it is their right and duty to be at all times ARMED!

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