MountainDEWDjv
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This guy needs to get a ******* job... LEO's need to be filmed, but not by bitchy antagonists like this guy. Just asking for trouble.
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cops decides to film law abiding man
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WalkingWolf
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Not all police are bad, but the bad ones will use the antics of a lunatic to justify their corrosive behavior. The person in that video is exactly what police put up as a excuse for officer safety.
Citizen
Founder's Club Member
Musta been a cop or statist that wrote that.
Those "technicalities" are rights!
Let's read that again: "...minor irregularities during the suspect's arrest or search..result in aquittal on a technicality".
Now, lets put it into correct English. "...violations of a person's rights properly resulting in a court throwing out the case because the court will not be an accessory to the violations."
Notice the other affront to the tens of thousands who bled and paid across seven centuries for our rights: "minor irregularities". Violating someone's rights is a "minor irregularity"? Hogwash!!
Supermoderator Mike pointed it out early in the forum's history. When police fail to observe rights carefully, resulting in a criminal evading justice, it is the fault of the police, not the judge. Its the police who let him go. So, with respect to the wikipedia quote, what's really being said is that police are lying to cover up their own mistakes. Nothing more. Nothing so heroic as nobley sacrificing their integrity to ensure a dangerous person is removed from society. Not even anything as altruistic as telling a lie for the greater good. Plain and simple--the liars are lying to cover up their mistakes.
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So only people with jobs should film the police ?
Unfortunately that would disqualify about 152 million Americans right now.
The police appreciate your view point.
sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
Saying cops lie on the stand and in their reports amounts to "bashing" is a statement of ignorance or a purposeful misdirection of what is definitely not an isolated incident (testilying is definitely not an isolated incident).
The DOJ even acknowledges this.
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/181241.pdf
The DOJ even acknowledges this.
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/181241.pdf
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Citizen
Founder's Club Member
Ouch! My head hurts trying to understand that first sentence. Can you clean that up just a little. I got something to say along those lines, but I'm not sure whether you already said it, or whether I'll be expanding on your point.
sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
Ouch! My head hurts trying to understand that first sentence. Can you clean that up just a little. I got something to say along those lines, but I'm not sure whether you already said it, or whether I'll be expanding on your point.
Will, do was referring to a line from primus, maybe that is where the confusion comes from....:lol:
sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
Primus
Regular Member
Please don't get me wrong I wasn't implying officers don't lie nor that it is an uncommon thing.
I was solely referring to the usage of "testilying" not the actual act of lying on the stand.
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sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
Using the word testilying isn't bashing and using it to describe a common practice in the misnamed "justice system" and government agents isn't bashing either.
georg jetson
Regular Member
True that!!!
A majority of people don't understand rights so... a majority of the people think technicalities get in the way of real justice. I'm starting to realize the education battle is hopeless.
sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
I don't think its hopeless. It's not a majority but it is no longer a small "sect" of liberty minded people to be ignored. Look at how much time is spent bashing libertarians by the fake two party members? If libertarians are not a threat why are they suddenly concentrating so much energy to them?
Look at the growing number of people who don't accept that LEA's are great infallible institutions with just a few bad apples.
A growing amount of people are learning about true anarchism and it's irrefutable arguments against statism.
Look at the vote of non confidence when the majority of people refuse to even partake in voting for any evil.
Rothbard observed that a true revolution comes from education I say there is still hope, I don't think the state and it's evil machinations will give up easily.
WalkingWolf
Regular Member
Let us be fair in that some libertarians do a lot of bashing themselves. IMO it is a small sect of them that draw the negative attention to the party, and make it difficult for the party to be taken seriously.
sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
An astute observation about some of the whackos who align themselves with that party, but they have always been there. The recent rise is in an attack on the basic philosophies. Especially from the "left", they feel they have a hold on the youth yet more and more youth are identifying themselves as independent and libertarian or libertarian leaning.
OC for ME
Regular Member
There is educating, being educated, and then there is voting, which requires no education at all.
Ah, the variegation of youth. When a bunch of hipsters start OCing, then I'll be interested in their plight, until then, I wish they would look where they are going when walking down the sidewalk.
http://www.themuse.com/advice/a-case-of-iphoneitis-and-3-other-smartphonerelated-injuries
Smartphone use is the singular threat to a healthy society. Ban smartphones, a preexisting condition under ObamaCare.
Citizen
Founder's Club Member
And:
Are those whackos and bashers any less than the whackos and bashers who align themselves with the main parties? Lets take a look:
A whacko, preceded by a number of other whackos, made it all the way to the senior post of the executive branch of the central government.
Then there are all the "bomb Iran!" whackos who've been trying to convince to go to war again.
And, the whackos who forced fifty nations into a health scam. And, drive the misnamed national debt to Saturn, wreck the economy, and destroy the purchasing power of the dollar, while forcing millions of our countrymen out of gainful employment.
Drone strikes killing thousands of innocents.
And,...right. They're just as much or even worse whackos. In fact, they give honest whackos a bad name. Sociopaths would be a better term.
(I know that was a sort of strawman in that it commented on something WalkingWolf didn't say, but the point is still valid.)
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sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
Nope and I agree.
A wacko that doesn't trust the government is a better acquaintance than a gullible or purposeful statist.
georg jetson
Regular Member
That's what I was talking about. While it is important that we educate about OC, it is more important to educate about rights in general. There is a whole generation of illiterates being raised up right now that have no idea what a Republic is, or how to add fractions. I have family that are teachers and they tell me there is very little "learning" going on in the classroom. Since the book you mention has been written, the education of our children, by way of federal government grant money, has become MUCH worse. Lack of education permeates our legal system as well. Words like "constitution" or "inalienable rights" have gained new meaning or have been discarded rendering the courts useless for justice. At some point we must realize that the fed gov must be extraordinarily reformed/de-funded. If we dig ourselves outa this crap it'll be a freakin miracle!