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    LAPD violated policy by firing on women during hunt for Christopher Dorner.

    A civilian oversight board has determined that eight Los Angeles police officers violated department policy when they mistakenly opened fire on two women during the manhunt for rogue ex-cop Christopher Dorner. [ ... ] Margie Carranza and her then 71-year-old mother, Emma Hernandez, were delivering newspapers around 5 a.m. when LAPD officers guarding the Torrance home of a target named in Dorner’s online manifesto blasted at least 100 rounds at their pickup.

    He killed the daughter of a former police official and her fiance, and two law enforcement officers during a 10-day run from authorities.

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    On the other half of the scale, the officer who rammed and shot the windows out of a black Honda Ridgeline driven buy a white guy when he was hunting down a black guy driving a gray Nissan Titan was found to be fully justified.

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    They found no dog in the vehicle? That explains it...

    Why are not these guys arrested?
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    It took an entire YEAR for these guys to be declared as "violated policy."

    Wow.

    I fail to understand how the survivors continue to live there.
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    When do they announce "this can be remedied" with "more training"? "No reason to make a big deal of this."
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    They violated policy?

    How about an honest press release? When can we get something like this:

    "We have determined that public outrage and demands for charges are entirely justified. Accordingly, we are recommending the prosecutor seek indictments against the fired officers for attempted murder, reckless discharge, willful negligence, fraudulently collecting paychecks pretending to be heroes while actually being cowards, and so forth. As with un-badged criminals and innocents, we are recommending the prosecutor pile on additional charges to encourage a plea."
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    The people of CA have to put the pressure on~~~but will they?

    As long as it happens to "somebody else" progressives are all to willing to applaud this type of behavior in the illusion of safety.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    They violated policy?

    How about an honest press release? When can we get something like this:

    "We have determined that public outrage and demands for charges are entirely justified. Accordingly, we are recommending the prosecutor seek indictments against the fired officers for attempted murder, reckless discharge, willful negligence, fraudulently collecting paychecks pretending to be heroes while actually being cowards, and so forth. As with un-badged criminals and innocents, we are recommending the prosecutor pile on additional charges to encourage a plea."
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    The people of CA have to put the pressure on~~~but will they?

    As long as it happens to "somebody else" progressives are all to willing to applaud this type of behavior in the illusion of safety.
    lol.

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    Any connection with open carry in California? Any at all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ConditionThree View Post
    Any connection with open carry in California? Any at all?
    A quiz? Sure, that's easy. Cops open carry, they were open carrying when they assaulted these citizens, and they prevent you from open carrying effectively.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ConditionThree View Post
    Any connection with open carry in California? Any at all?
    According to Lonnie Wilson Californians open carry is what lost them the right to open carry.

    So you going to add anything of substance to the conversation or just whine?
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    According to Lonnie Wilson Californians open carry is what lost them the right to open carry...
    I don't know who LW is, but he is pretty naive, probably for his own agenda. It was a-hole cops' reactions to citizens carrying that caused them to no longer be able to carry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    I don't know who LW is, but he is pretty naive, probably for his own agenda. It was a-hole cops' reactions to citizens carrying that caused them to no longer be able to carry.
    This and stupid progressive/communist/democrat and republican/anti-gun/anti-freedom/anti-personal responsibility politicians and judges and those who elected or appointed them who are responsible for the loss of OC in California.

    If I missed any responsible here please feel free to add to my list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    I don't know who LW is, but he is pretty naive, probably for his own agenda. It was a-hole cops' reactions to citizens carrying that caused them to no longer be able to carry.
    He now goes by Gray Peterson.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    <snip>How about an honest press release? When can we get something like this:

    "We have determined that public outrage and demands for charges are entirely justified. Accordingly, we are recommending the prosecutor seek indictments against the fired officers for attempted murder, reckless discharge, willful negligence, fraudulently collecting paychecks pretending to be heroes while actually being cowards, and so forth. As with un-badged criminals and innocents, we are recommending the prosecutor pile on additional charges to encourage a plea."
    I like this very much, but doubt it will ever happen in the CSSR, or especially when dealing with any actions taken by LEO's.

    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    The people of CA have to put the pressure on~~~but will they?

    As long as it happens to "somebody else" progressives are all to willing to applaud this type of behavior in the illusion of safety.
    x2

    Quote Originally Posted by ConditionThree View Post
    Any connection with open carry in California? Any at all?
    Then have it moved to the Social Lounge section.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ConditionThree View Post
    Any connection with open carry in California? Any at all?
    Open carry? In California?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Open carry? In California?
    Some from Cal Guns are still but hurt that OC'ers continued to OC and didn't fall in line with big gun organizations demands. They then try to call in to question peoples morals, intelligence and lay the blame on them for trying to fight tyranny anyway they personally feel they are able.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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