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    I am so fed up with all this CRAP people post about cops. I can't say that I like a lot of the stuff I see as well, and yeah I tend to get ticked off by the videos I watch. Like the black kid that was minding his own business in San Jose BART, sitting there, complying with the unreasonable demands of the cops, and one decides to bust a cop is the kid, killing him. Of the homeless guy in Fullerton. Yeah it makes me mad as hell. AND I SCREAM ABOUT IT, TOO!

    But just as much as I scream about how decent cops are not appreciated for the work they do. Not all cops are good and not all are bad. Actually it's a mix. No one cop is perfect. He or she has their up days and down days, and sometimes like the rest of us humans, they slip. No it doesn't excuse some of the outright abuse I even SCREAM ABOUT. But I feel it helps explain some of what is out there.

    I think it's about time we start a few threads talking about the good cops. Yeah, yeah. I know. That likely leaves out a few schmucks here in OC, but hey, that happens everywhere. (TIC)

    So I say drop the name, department name and phone number of the cop you think deserves praise for doing good work. Just as much as giving that info helps in bust the trash with badges, I feel that praising the good guys only feeds more into bringing more of the good guys out.


    So I'm gonna mention a few good cops that deserve praise.

    Shawn Sackett, East Carbon Utah PD. (435)888-2081
    Mitch Vetere, Emery County Sheriff's Dept. (435)381-2404
    Aaron D'Mize, Fowler Colorado PD (719) 263-5161

    There's a few others, but I'd have to say these three deserve a big pat on the back. Fine, outstanding gentlemen, very professional in their work, and none of them have busted a cap in me yet!


    Liability statement: I do not have any outstanding warrants or investigations against me at this time nor am I aware or expecting any. (just in case some schmuck out there wants to say that I'm kissing some hind-end...which I'm not).


    Now, I'd like to see a few of you bums out there start talking about the GOOD cops you know! MAN UP, HOMEY!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan 5 View Post
    I am so fed up with all this CRAP people post about cops. I can't say that I like a lot of the stuff I see as well, and yeah I tend to get ticked off by the videos I watch. Like the black kid that was minding his own business in San Jose BART, sitting there, complying with the unreasonable demands of the cops, and one decides to bust a cop is the kid, killing him. Of the homeless guy in Fullerton. Yeah it makes me mad as hell. AND I SCREAM ABOUT IT, TOO!

    But just as much as I scream about how decent cops are not appreciated for the work they do. Not all cops are good and not all are bad. Actually it's a mix. No one cop is perfect. He or she has their up days and down days, and sometimes like the rest of us humans, they slip. No it doesn't excuse some of the outright abuse I even SCREAM ABOUT. But I feel it helps explain some of what is out there.

    I think it's about time we start a few threads talking about the good cops. Yeah, yeah. I know. That likely leaves out a few schmucks here in OC, but hey, that happens everywhere. (TIC)

    So I say drop the name, department name and phone number of the cop you think deserves praise for doing good work. Just as much as giving that info helps in bust the trash with badges, I feel that praising the good guys only feeds more into bringing more of the good guys out.


    So I'm gonna mention a few good cops that deserve praise.

    Shawn Sackett, East Carbon Utah PD. (435)888-2081
    Mitch Vetere, Emery County Sheriff's Dept. (435)381-2404
    Aaron D'Mize, Fowler Colorado PD (719) 263-5161

    There's a few others, but I'd have to say these three deserve a big pat on the back. Fine, outstanding gentlemen, very professional in their work, and none of them have busted a cap in me yet!


    Liability statement: I do not have any outstanding warrants or investigations against me at this time nor am I aware or expecting any. (just in case some schmuck out there wants to say that I'm kissing some hind-end...which I'm not).


    Now, I'd like to see a few of you bums out there start talking about the GOOD cops you know! MAN UP, HOMEY!
    I don't know of a single 'good' cop, amongst all the LEOs I know.

    There are no real 'good' cops, because to be 'good', they'd have to not break any single law, or ordnance, on or off duty. I've seen, and heard, and read, about supposedly 'good cops breaking traffic laws at-will, going 90mph down a highway in a cruiser with no lights/sirens on; weaving in and out of traffic at high speed in a personal vehicle while off duty, and yet call themselves good cops who look out for their fellow common man, or how about a OCDO cop who drove provocatively and aggressively while going to work, in their personal vehicle, dressed in uniform, tail gating a forward car, honking at them, and provoking them, yet claims innocence and still purports to be a law-abiding 'good' cop and pro-citizen to the max.'To be 'good', they'd have to treat people fairly, never use excessive force, and would arrest any 'bad' cop on the spot for being criminally negligent, or doing something illegal, which the 'good' cops never seem to do. I'm not bashing cops, I'm making a statement based on personal experience with and around LEOs, and making a sound judgement based on the hundreds of news articles/sites I read every single day (except saturday, and sunday).

    How about the local 'good' cops who are pro-gun, gun friendly, and who will only harass OC'ers 'just a little', or will seize your weapon 'for officer safety' and then congratulate you for carrying or owning a gun and talk to the citizen about how proud the cop is of them and how he's their friend and they should go shooting together. Or the local constable who only got his position through a family member who is County Judge Exec, and hands in fake tickets to collect money from the county for his 'fee', but EVERYONE in town says he's a 'good' cop, and they trust him completely.

    How about a 'good' state trooper that pulls over people with 'gay pride' stickers on their cars when leaving known gay clubs in one of our bigger cities, and gives them B.S. citations, but when you go in court to defend yourself, the CA and Judge laughs in the hall way about how the statie was a 'good man' and 'just doing his job like he should'.

    Where do you draw the line between bad cop, and good cop? and what are you over-looking just so you can call a LEO 'good'? Are you over looking speeding, or intimidation? are you over-looking the corrupt practice of taking discounts on food and groceries and ammo because of their badge, that normal people have to pay full price for? are you over looking their willing use of immunity? are you over looking the unions that every LEO loves to support at the expense of tax dollars? are you over looking the fact that any LEO who doesn't work and try hard to enforce the laws on other cops, AND dismantle the blue wall of silence, is in fact, a 'bad' cop?

    No sir, I do not subscribe to your insinuations that there are good, and bad people in that chosen profession. Just as how I refuse to acknowledge anyone in a U.S. Military uniform as doing anything more than their job, and getting just what they -volunteered- for. Neither the former, nor latter professions do us any good, so why should we treat them like they're some how immune to bad behavior?

    All careers, and professions are corrupt, and 'bad' in one form or another. There is no single profession in this world that has a single person involved in it that isn't corrupt in any way, or breaks the law in one form or another.

    I've broken the speed limit on more than one occasion, just as YOU have too, and everyone else here has as well. By definition, none of us are "Law-Abiding citizens", because none of us have perfectly and obediently obeyed all laws, ordnance's, or limitations 100% of the time.

    /End my less-than-sober rant.
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    I tried a thread once on the same general subject - went about as far as running up hill on a hot lava flow.

    The problem is that complimenting a LEO attracts the rants and notice me postings of those intent on raising their voices above others. Perhaps I need to edit more those more aggressively.

    The idea is well received by myself, just don't think it will become the flavor of the month.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    I tried a thread once on the same general subject - went about as far as running up hill on a hot lava flow.

    The problem is that complimenting a LEO attracts the rants and notice me postings of those intent on raising their voices above others. Perhaps I need to edit more those more aggressively.

    The idea is well received by myself, just don't think it will become the flavor of the month.
    Nobody is perfect .. but I never shot a person in the street with his hands in the air either.

    I don't know what makes a cop a "good" cop .. but its apparent when one is "bad" ...

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    Is good cop/bad cop a binary state or is there a continuous distribution? We all know what makes a cop a bad cop, what makes a cop a good cop other than doing his job how we think properly? "One 'Aww, shoot!' wipes out a thousand atta-boys."

    Yes, there are probably a million cops, but clearly they tolerate the liars and cheaters among their ranks.
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    You want names?

    I'm not sure the good cops I know want their names posted here...

    If Grape says it's OK, I will.

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    You want the name of a decent cop?

    Regina Tasca. Look her up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick9 View Post
    You want names?

    I'm not sure the good cops I know want their names posted here...

    If Grape says it's OK, I will.
    IMO would be fine if restricted to name, LEA, and appropriate comments, but w/o personal/private information.
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    My definition of a good cop is singular to me. Other folks may hold a definition of what a good cop is that is similar to mine, but their definition will never be identical to mine. I have yet to meet a cop that fits my definition, some very few (limited exposure) are very close.

    I'm don't give shout-outs to "good" cops, I extend my respect in person because my respect is hard won and well deserved.

    The premise of my definition: A good cop is a cop who thinks individual liberty first and how his official acts affect individual liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PistolPackingMomma View Post
    You want the name of a decent cop?

    Regina Tasca. Look her up.
    Yes Yes!!! What she did would be part of the definition of a "good" cop.

    As far as bad vs good, perhaps they're being set up to fail. As is brought up many times, the reason cops may behave poorly is because of the courts. I believe bad cops are a symptom and not the problem. Considering this, to be a "good" cop, they must be extraordinary. These days, the rare good cop is worthy of notice.

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    Enough ******** from the pansy crowd. If you know a good cop, give their name, department and contact number. And call!
    But say something nice.

    Or could do it like Grapeshot suggests, and give their bank name, account number and credit card number as well.


    Which, honestly, reminds me of years back when we used to prank people online. Get someone's name and the number to call them at and give them a line of ****. Like one time, back when it wasn't a crime to flame someone for being gay, we'd pick someone and call them en masse. Spread their name, number and reason around on line, and they'd get around 30-50 calls a day.
    Phone rings....
    "Hello?"
    "Yeah is Officer John Doe there?"
    "Yeah, that's me. How can I help you..."
    "Yeah, this fella 'Steve' (always pick someone you know they know)said that you turned gay, dude? Has you consulted with your wives on this?"
    The multitude of swearing was humorous, to say the least. And imagining the contact between them and the other guy...if phone lines could tell tales!

    Now they have caller ID, the jerks. AND it's illegal. The jerks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan 5 View Post
    --snipped--
    Or could do it like Grapeshot suggests, and give their bank name, account number and credit card number as well.
    NOT funny............well maybe a little humorous.
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    I was stopped quite a few times last year (bad luck i guess) and was armed most of the time. I had extremely pleasant and professional interactions with all of them. There was one stop that i didnt like how it started but it ended very well. They're just people doing a job, Im far from perfect so who am i to judge? We have bad managers at my company just as every police force has bad cops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    NOT funny............well maybe a little humorous.
    Yeah, we know you're giggling from deep in your blessed heart.

    Seriously guys. If you have crap to say about cops, say it somewhere else. But say the good stuff here. And saying "Oh, well, I suppose I knew one umpteen years back..." and not dropping their name is pathetic. Something current.
    Don't hold back guys!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan 5 View Post
    --snipped--

    And Grapeshot sent us.

    (said in juvenile humor, of course...ain't done a crank call in years)
    I have been known to "send" a few people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kopis View Post
    I was stopped quite a few times last year (bad luck i guess) [ ...] .
    Absolutely amazing, and maybe the source of the very different prejudices about cops, that one post brags, maybe, about being stopped "quite a few times [just] last year", while others have not been stopped "quite a few times" in a long and eventful life.

    I have been stopped and ticketed three times. Only the first, in '66 was a righteous stop. The most recent was in 1977, a yankee-stop for driving my Porsche in Lake City, SC.

    Maybe that should be a survey topic, "What is your lifetime average annual traffic stop rate?" (Lifetime total traffic stops divided by age in years minus sixteen.)

    Mine: 3/(66-16)=3/50=0.06 year^-1
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kopis View Post
    I was stopped quite a few times last year (bad luck i guess) and was armed most of the time. I had extremely pleasant and professional interactions with all of them. There was one stop that i didnt like how it started but it ended very well. They're just people doing a job, Im far from perfect so who am i to judge? We have bad managers at my company just as every police force has bad cops.
    So, their job is to stop and harass citizens who are simply traveling about? If so, then how is that a good police officer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kopis View Post
    I was stopped quite a few times last year (bad luck i guess) and was armed most of the time. I had extremely pleasant and professional interactions with all of them. There was one stop that i didnt like how it started but it ended very well. They're just people doing a job, Im far from perfect so who am i to judge? We have bad managers at my company just as every police force has bad cops.
    Your rationalization in red is a bit troubling to me.

    Would you be OK with applying the same performance standards to airline pilots?

    Please feel to elaborate on your position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    [ ... ] We have bad managers at my company just as every police force has bad cops.
    So, their job is to stop and harass citizens who are simply traveling about? If so, then how is that a good police officer?
    Bwahaha! "Bad managers" says their very best employee that is not a manager, or is a manager tolerating incompetence in his peers, or is a company officer that tolerates, or the owner that tolerates?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan 5 View Post
    So I'm gonna mention a few good cops that deserve praise.

    Shawn Sackett, East Carbon Utah PD. (435)888-2081
    Mitch Vetere, Emery County Sheriff's Dept. (435)381-2404
    Aaron D'Mize, Fowler Colorado PD (719) 263-5161

    There's a few others, but I'd have to say these three deserve a big pat on the back. Fine, outstanding gentlemen, very professional in their work, and none of them have busted a cap in me yet!

    I missed the criteria you based your "good cop" accreditation on. What sets them aside from the bad cops. How they were "vetted". Most importantly, the litmus test that was applied indicating each and every one of the named "good cops" have never in their career been a party to, or have knowledge of, the formation of "The Thin Blue Line".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuller Malarkey View Post
    I missed the criteria you based your "good cop" accreditation on. What sets them aside from the bad cops. How they were "vetted". Most importantly, the litmus test that was applied indicating each and every one of the named "good cops" have never in their career been a party to, or have knowledge of, the formation of "The Thin Blue Line".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Bwahaha! "Bad managers" says their very best employee that is not a manager, or is a manager tolerating incompetence in his peers, or is a company officer that tolerates, or the owner that tolerates?
    If people rise to their level of incompetence, what does that say about those on top?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    If people rise to their level of incompetence, what does that say about those on top?
    That is a restatement of the Peter Principle from the humor book The Peter Principle: Why Things Always Go Wrong by L. J. Peter and R. Hull in 1969. It echoed serious considerations of the search of competence that started with the Ancient Greeks Sortition election system (by lottery of volunteers). The eponymous Wikipedia article lists management means of minimizing the risk of petering out. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle#Responses

    In other words, the suggestion that all management is incompetent is broad-brush false.
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    People rarely sue good doctors, people rarely tell frozen pizza vendor their pizza's are great. But let them screw up and then people speak up. It is human nature.

    We do have a problem in this country with the ever increasing LEO incidents with gross violations of rights, and it seems most "good" cops do nothing about it. NC is starting to build a track record for prosecuting bad cops. Until the rest of the nation steps up to the plate, it will always be more moaning than compliments.

    Just a thought, how many Mass Cops stepped up to the plate in the mass abuses of rights post Boston Bombing? I have not heard of even ONE!

    OP the "good" cops you mentioned, have they ever stepped up to the plate to stop abuses? Or are they just friends of yours, that do not hassle you?
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    How about this one? I'd shake this guys hand.

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