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    May I abbreviate my trust name when I engrave an SBR?

    Recently a client called me to ask if he could abbreviate his trust name when he engraved an SBR.

    As one might expect in the Google age, prior to calling me he had searched on the internet and, based upon what he had found there, was already convinced that it would be acceptable.


    The only problem is that it’s definitely not acceptable to the ATF.

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    IMHO - it is better to avoid the pitfalls by seeking competant legal advice before the fact, rather than seeking help after the fact.

    If I'm not mistaken, routine civil action is considerably cheaper than fighting the system, or G-d forbide, criminal defense - both in terms, not just of money, but time also.
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    John,

    What is an "SBR"?
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    John,

    What is an "SBR"?
    John may have time to confirm in the morning.

    SBR = short barreled rifle.

    SBRs may be created by trimming down a larger rifle, by building a rifle with an original barrel shorter than 16 inches, or by adding a shoulder stock to a handgun which is fitted with a barrel shorter than 16 inches, thereby legally redefining it as a rifle rather than a handgun.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short-barreled_rifle
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    Can you change the name of the trust?
    The First protects the Second, and the Second protects the First. Together, they protect the rest of our Bill of Rights and our United States Constitution, and help We the People protect ourselves in the spirit of our Declaration of Independence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post
    Can you change the name of the trust?
    It is my understanding that to change the the trust's name would be to institute a new Gun (NFA) Trust.
    http://blog.princelaw.com/2011/01/12...ked-questions/
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    Engrave it AGAIN ... with the proper name somewhere ... the ATF really is not that picky where the proper name is, as long as its somewhere..they know engraving mistakes happen....
    Last edited by davidmcbeth; 03-01-2014 at 04:03 AM.

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