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    Exclamation recently happened...

    This happened to my oldest son who lives in a pro gun state, (moved there over 15 years ago) due to specific reasons I am not going to go into great detail…

    Got a text from him saying “I never thanked you for the gun”… FYI I buy all my kids a pistol for their 21st B day, and pay for their CCW…
    I replied “come in handy?” his response “yes will call later”…

    The next day I get a call. He drives taxi (Prius) as an independent (pays a flat fee plus they get a % of the take,) is his own boss, likes the hours and gets good tips.

    A few days back he is out looking for a rider when someone blows off a red light in front of him, he slams on the breaks hard, and lays on the horn to keep from T boning them…
    Proceeding on the guy that blew the light has dropped behind him, pulling up next to my son (4 lane in town) he started an exchange while they were moving swearing, yelling, gesturing, so my son immediately dialed 911.

    On the phone 911 got to hear this guy shout, swearing, threatening, honking horn, and they told him that they had a unit on the way. When he attempted to run my boy off the road (he keeps his SW .38 on the seat beside him as per my urging after all driving a hack is dangerous), He raised his gun so he could see it was no bluff, and told him “I have a gun stay away” 911 on the phone heard and recorded the entire incident as He warned the guy no less than 5 times that he had a gun to stay back.

    Although he attempted to keep moving both vehicles suddenly stuck in traffic, the aggressor takes advantage of this and jumps out of his car charging my son still in his taxi, again my son yells “stay back I have a gun and I will use it!”
    When he says this the 911 operator asks “are you in fear of your life?” He responds “Yes I am” and they reply “do what is necessary to remain safe”.
    The guy yanks open the door on the Prius (for some reason the taxi company has the door lock defeated) and reaches to grab my son by the throat and the boy immediately shoots twice hitting the aggressor both times. Striking him once in the shoulder, once in the chest, this stops the attacker, and the police arrive on the scene almost immediately after. Placing the guy under arrest, and in an ambulance, the officers commend my son on remaining calm throughout the incident, (the 911 operator told them so).

    As it turns out the perp was a Mexican / illegal / gang banger with multiple wants and warrants out for his arrest… this individual was placed under immediate arrest and arraignment as soon as he is out of the hospital (non fatal shooting).
    There were 3 witnesses to the event that stayed and confirmed his story to the police.
    Yes they took my sons .38 saying he should have it back within a couple of weeks. No charges were filed or issued against him, nor are any pending at this point in time (the officers were on his side indicated he should not worry, that this was a clean righteous case of SD).
    So far he has managed (and told the police) he does not want the press involved, nor does not want his name released.
    The company that he leases the taxi from although it has specific policy for their drivers this does not apply to contract independent drivers, and they have been very kind and concerned as to his welfare so far.

    When I talked to him I told him to get his rear to a gun shop and buy another ASAP, Gang Bangers if they manage to identify him will be out for revenge.
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    He probably should not announce he had a gun ... the guy could have had one too and used it first.

    A good outcome so far ... you are wise to advise him to get re-armed.

    Should probably start wearing a vest too.

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    With all that information, I went searching for the locally reported details. LOL, but I found a differently disturbing incident with similar details from Naussau County. I've been away from metro areas for so long that I had no idea of Pious as taxis.
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    I wasn't there, I don't know what the situation was like, the info is already second-hand...but I didn't see anything about the OP's son saying "hey man, my bad" and ignoring the idiot (while dialing 911 and keeping a watchful eye out).

    How much horn-blowing did the OP's son do?

    Hard to draw any conclusions from this tale. I've never had a road-rager attempt to pull me from my car, been honked at plenty for spacing out behind the wheel, but this kind of escalation seems a bit strange without the OP's son feeding into it in some way...perhaps by waving a gun around?

    Guns aren't warnings...they're a last resort. Your brain is your most important tool for self-defense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CT Barfly View Post
    I wasn't there, I don't know what the situation was like, the info is already second-hand...but I didn't see anything about the OP's son saying "hey man, my bad" and ignoring the idiot (while dialing 911 and keeping a watchful eye out).

    How much horn-blowing did the OP's son do?

    Hard to draw any conclusions from this tale. I've never had a road-rager attempt to pull me from my car, been honked at plenty for spacing out behind the wheel, but this kind of escalation seems a bit strange without the OP's son feeding into it in some way...perhaps by waving a gun around?

    Guns aren't warnings...they're a last resort. Your brain is your most important tool for self-defense.
    If someone runs a red light and almost causes you an accident, are you not going to give a good long horn honk to the idiot?

    The idiot tried to run him off the road. In my mind, that is assault with a deadly weapon. He had every right to defend himself.

    It sounds to me like he keept his cool and came out OK.

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    I will not second guess past events.

    Your son should get a lawyer, just in case.

    Write the weapon off as a loss.

    During his "work day" he needs to run a audio and video device as a independent means to substantiate his claims.

    It is good that your son had the presence of mind to keep 911 on the phone while addressing the issue at hand.

    Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterGadgets View Post
    If someone runs a red light and almost causes you an accident, are you not going to give a good long horn honk to the idiot?

    The idiot tried to run him off the road. In my mind, that is assault with a deadly weapon. He had every right to defend himself.

    It sounds to me like he keept his cool and came out OK.
    Explain to me how 'laying on the horn' prevents T-boning the red light runner. As far as I know the horn has no braking function. Here we have seen that had the OP's son NOT laid on the horn NO ONE WOULD HAVE BEEN SHOT.

    HTH

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    Quote Originally Posted by CT Barfly View Post
    I wasn't there, I don't know what the situation was like, the info is already second-hand...but I didn't see anything about the OP's son saying "hey man, my bad" and ignoring the idiot (while dialing 911 and keeping a watchful eye out).

    How much horn-blowing did the OP's son do?

    Hard to draw any conclusions from this tale. I've never had a road-rager attempt to pull me from my car, been honked at plenty for spacing out behind the wheel, but this kind of escalation seems a bit strange without the OP's son feeding into it in some way...perhaps by waving a gun around?

    Guns aren't warnings...they're a last resort. Your brain is your most important tool for self-defense.
    Horns are there for a purpose a warning, seems laying the horn in this case was done for here I am don't hit me.

    If one can Use defensive display or by warning the other guy that you are armed defuses or stops the situation with out a shot being fire.

    You are better off then just shooting the attacker. No matter how justified you are shooting someone is always a big hassle. If you can avoid it you are better off.

    If the attacker was enraged so much that he disregarded the warnings and the gun why do you think he wouldn't have attacked if the shooter hadn't showed it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firearms Iinstuctor View Post
    Horns are there for a purpose a warning, seems laying the horn in this case was done for here I am don't hit me.
    I'm not sure you're able to picture the situation. When someone blows through a red light, by the time you hit the horn they are several car lengths past you. Assuming, of course the OP's son is not psychic.

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    If he had time to brake, he had time to hit the horn

    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick9 View Post
    I'm not sure you're able to picture the situation. When someone blows through a red light, by the time you hit the horn they are several car lengths past you. Assuming, of course the OP's son is not psychic.
    Just because someone blows through a red light does not mean they were not seen coming.

    I wonder where this happened. I would like to find a media account, or at least know what state it was in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick9 View Post
    I'm not sure you're able to picture the situation. When someone blows through a red light, by the time you hit the horn they are several car lengths past you. Assuming, of course the OP's son is not psychic.
    Maybe maybe not if that's the case there might not even be time to hit the brakes depending on their speed.

    The OP stated "he slams on the breaks hard, and lays on the horn to keep from T boning them…"

    Seems to me he used the brakes and the horn to avoid a crash.

    We were not there one can only go by the facts stated.
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    The armchairing starts immediately, lol.

    Glad OP's son is ok. The rest of you guys need to get a life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bomber View Post
    The armchairing starts immediately, lol.

    Glad OP's son is ok. The rest of you guys need to get a life.
    As yourself why people post here. To get an opinion on the veracity of their actions.

    But thank you for the content-free post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firearms Iinstuctor View Post
    Maybe maybe not if that's the case there might not even be time to hit the brakes depending on their speed.

    The OP stated "he slams on the breaks hard, and lays on the horn to keep from T boning them…"

    Seems to me he used the brakes and the horn to avoid a crash.

    We were not there one can only go by the facts stated.
    Please explain how 'laying on the horn' causes any effect, other than to rile the red-light runner. Without the inappropriate, ineffective and aggressive (and possibly illegal) use of the horn, the OP's son would not have had to shoot the BG. IMO.

    Upshot? Don't use your horn aggressively, it serves no purpose, and it illustrates how we are actually PART of the road raging by doing so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick9 View Post
    Please explain how 'laying on the horn' causes any effect, other than to rile the red-light runner. Without the inappropriate, ineffective and aggressive (and possibly illegal) use of the horn, the OP's son would not have had to shoot the BG. IMO.

    Upshot? Don't use your horn aggressively, it serves no purpose, and it illustrates how we are actually PART of the road raging by doing so.
    Laying on the horn is a second nature response to people that piss you off, or scare you. Especially cabbies. 9/10 of the time, it isn't even thought of as agressive by them, it's just what they do to make people see them, get out of their way, move, etc...My wife is one of those drivers that uses the horn for all the stupid crap. I am in mostly agreement that it serves no real purpose to lay on the horn, except to agrevate the other driver. I do use a quick bump of the horn when someone is "asleep" when the light turns green, but, that is it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick9 View Post
    Please explain how 'laying on the horn' causes any effect, other than to rile the red-light runner. Without the inappropriate, ineffective and aggressive (and possibly illegal) use of the horn, the OP's son would not have had to shoot the BG. IMO.

    Upshot? Don't use your horn aggressively, it serves no purpose, and it illustrates how we are actually PART of the road raging by doing so.
    It could cause the other driver to see you, swerve away from you, brake or other actions to avoid the crash.

    The red light runner could just as well been some one driving with their head where the sun doesn't shine, texting on the phone and just not paying attention and needed wake up signal .

    There's no indication that this use of the drivers horn was inappropriate or illegal. Besides some idiot gang banger taking offense to it.

    The BG is the only one responsible for his getting shot he could have just as easily not followed not threatened nor left his car and attacked the other driver.

    What don't you understand that threating some one attacking some one is a good way to get shot.

    I could see that people with self control issues might be worried about some one blowing a horn at them and could end up being shot because their stupid and illegal assault on the other driver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Dawg View Post
    Laying on the horn is a second nature response to people that piss you off, or scare you. Especially cabbies. 9/10 of the time, it isn't even thought of as agressive by them, it's just what they do to make people see them, get out of their way, move, etc...My wife is one of those drivers that uses the horn for all the stupid crap. I am in mostly agreement that it serves no real purpose to lay on the horn, except to agrevate the other driver. I do use a quick bump of the horn when someone is "asleep" when the light turns green, but, that is it...
    In Chicago when in a cab, the light turns green the cabie hits thet horn before even moving... no this was not in Chicago...

    Here they blow the light so often on RH on Red it is not even remotely funny, most will not even do a slow and go, they just nail it and expect everyone to get out of their way... and if they got as aggressive for being honked at as this criminal did, the hospitals in two cities would be full to over flow by now...

    When I honk at you it means you screwed up, don't get mad but look first and drive safe next time!!!

    As of last night my son said the aggressor was still in a coma in intensive care, with any luck he will not remember being shot and hence my sons face...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bomber View Post
    The armchairing starts immediately, lol.

    Glad OP's son is ok. The rest of you guys need to get a life.
    thanks for the meta-posting.

    you're welcome for this meta-post.
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    I simply cannot believe the cab driver is being made out to be the one at fault here. None of us were there. We have to take the story at face value as that is all we have.

    The illegal alien gang banger is the victim here? Really?!?!

    Pathetic.

    If you're so angry a person and so completely out of control that you feel the need to drag someone outta his car because he honked his horn over something YOU did, you DESERVE to get shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeMat View Post
    I simply cannot believe the cab driver is being made out to be the one at fault here. None of us were there. We have to take the story at face value as that is all we have.

    The illegal alien gang banger is the victim here? Really?!?!

    Pathetic.

    If you're so angry a person and so completely out of control that you feel the need to drag someone outta his car because he honked his horn over something YOU did, you DESERVE to get shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeMat View Post
    I simply cannot believe the cab driver is being made out to be the one at fault here. None of us were there. We have to take the story at face value as that is all we have.

    The illegal alien gang banger is the victim here? Really?!?!

    Pathetic.

    If you're so angry a person and so completely out of control that you feel the need to drag someone outta his car because he honked his horn over something YOU did, you DESERVE to get shot.
    Sir, you have not correctly read my commentary. I did not say the Cab Driver was the one at fault.

    I simply said that, IMO, had the Cabbie NOT HONKED, AGGRESSIVELY and for a long duration, he would probably not have been on the BG's radar, hence the BG would not have counter attacked and came at him and the Cabbie would not have had to shoot him.

    Period. I did not say the Cabbie was at fault. If you leave your emotions out of it, you will have to agree that STAYING OFF THE BG's RADAR is a large part of not having to draw, shoot, expend expensive bullets and risk reprisals and sleepless nights for HAVING KILLED SOMEONE (or seriously injured them).

    OUR JOB is NOT to shoot people. It's to remain safe, to keep loved ones safe and to avoid drawing, deploying and using our firearms. Only the MONUMENTALLY STUPID and BLOOD THIRSTY will relish perforating their fellow man. I assume, being rational and intelligent and wishing to continue to live at home, you agree.

    HTH

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    Let me steer this back around a bit. The perp physically assaulted our GG, got shot in the chest, and the GG is not (for now) being charged. I live in a pro gun state and I'd give that scenario about a 10% chance of working out here, more likely in a rural area than in a city or suburban area, which I assume is where you find this type of taxi service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeMat View Post
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    If you're so angry a person and so completely out of control that you feel the need to drag someone outta his car because he honked his horn over something YOU did, you DESERVE to get shot.
    Well, I can't argue with that. I should add that assaulting drivers that honk the horn isn't limited to "illegal alien gang bangers". Well, technically, you might be right....

    http://business.highbeam.com/435553/...hey-used-taser

    KANSAS CITY -- Police said Friday that two officers had been disciplined and department policy changed following an investigation into the officers' use of a Taser when arresting a woman who honked her car horn at a police cruiser.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuller Malarkey View Post
    Well, I can't argue with that. I should add that assaulting drivers that honk the horn isn't limited to "illegal alien gang bangers". Well, technically, you might be right....

    http://business.highbeam.com/435553/...hey-used-taser

    KANSAS CITY -- Police said Friday that two officers had been disciplined and department policy changed following an investigation into the officers' use of a Taser when arresting a woman who honked her car horn at a police cruiser.
    You literally just can't resist. You have an idis I guess. What was the department that turned you down? I need to send them a letter and yelling then they've made a troll on the internet.

    You literally drag EVERY thread to this. There could be a thread on donating blood for charity and you'd somehow find a article or video of a cop shooting a blood donor.

    The saddest part about this is this forum let's you get away with it. Your no different then onus. Worse since you post more.

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