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Sheldon said:

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Talked to my Son last night...

(good news) Wednesday they gave him back his gun (a lot less than the two weeks the officer said)
Legal reprucutions... Didn't ask but I can make some asumptions here, yeah you can read anything into that that you want but it would be just guessing...

But best guess with out access to the police report.... Justifiable shooting, no charges to be filed...

Perp is still in ICU... that .38 with the +P JHP must have done some damage after all...

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Maverick9 said:

Let's hope:
1) the Perp doesn't die, doesn't remember the situation or who shot him;
2) his family isn't reactive;
3) nobody caught your son escalating the situation (not saying he did);
4) your son learns something from this situation;
5) he doesn't have guilt or PTSD;
6) the cops don't tell the perp anything he can use to get revenge.

Stay safe.

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Rusty Young Man said:

Won't comment on the first part of #1 on your list. Likewise, will not comment on #3, as I believe JoeSparky's last post on this thread summarizes my thoughts on the topic.

@Sheldon: Maverick9 raises some good points in this response to you.
2) As a Hispanic, I can say that family is usually VERY tight-knit (some jokes about mothers crying when the children "move away" to a house four houses away are loosely based on reality). Tell your son to be more alert in the weeks following the thug's release (one way or the other).
4) Hope your son learns that carrying can be a burden, but only because of the big responsibility that comes with it. As he experienced, the burden could have been heavier for his parents if they had to be talking to a bruised son, or worse, talking into an orntate wooden box.
5) It may help to remind him that the thug's actions after having been warned of the firearm indicate an increased probability of one of the two ending up on a stretcher. At that point, it can be said the thug made an informed decision, and your son made the natural decision NOT to allow himself to be critically harmed.
6) This ties back to my response to #2: have your son know that being extra alert and/or employing the (ARMED) buddy system may be most helpful in keeping his genes in the gene pool.

That being said, I hope your son gets over the initial shock, and that he finds more reason to go to the shooting range to hone his motor skills with a sidearm.

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hafnhaf said:

"Here we have seen that had the OP's son NOT laid on the horn NO ONE WOULD HAVE BEEN SHOT."

so its the son's fault for blasting his horn at the red-light runner? or maybe it's the horn's fault? was it a scary black plastic horn? did it have a shoulder thing that goes up? could it beep more than 10 times without reloading? maybe the red-light runner had a relative who was killed at an intersection because he/she did NOT run a red light to get out of the way of a firetruck. maybe they dont have red lights where the illegal guy came from. maybe we should keep cars away from illegal aliens. maybe we should... never mind.

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Maverick9 said:

Spin it any way you like, but here's the truth. The son laid on the horn. This angered the BG. The son was NOT hit by the red light runner. By laying on the horn he got on the BG's radar - FOR NO REASON. Hitting the brakes, yes, that prevented a potential collision.

THAT caused him to have to shoot someone. He was contributory, perhaps not in a negligent way, but run it again without the counter-aggression NO MATTER HOW WARRANTED and no one would have been shot. Period.

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Maverick9 said:

Spin it any way you like, but here's the truth. The son laid on the horn. This angered the BG. The son was NOT hit by the red light runner. By laying on the horn he got on the BG's radar - FOR NO REASON. Hitting the brakes, yes, that prevented a potential collision.

THAT caused him to have to shoot someone. He was contributory, perhaps not in a negligent way, but run it again without the counter-aggression NO MATTER HOW WARRANTED and no one would have been shot. Period.

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jrj_51 said:

We could "cause and effect" this all the way back to the beginning of time and you would be correct, but you would still be wrong.

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eamelhorn said:

I have almost completely left this site altogether. I don't know what if anything really happened. Is it a real story. I hope so. But throwing the whole post out the window and calling a man a liar because blowing a horn wont help you stop. But it may alert the other driver he is about to get T-boned and maybe just maybe he could help himself to get out of the way. I saw a car chase a man and his family down on the interstate waving clubs out the window. I watched the news that night. It wasn't on the news. You all need to get a life. Yea some people will make up a lie and post it. If I offended you, Oh well post about it. If you don't have proof maybe someone will call you a liar. Threads like this will keep me from coming back.

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eamelhorn said:

I have almost completely left this site altogether. I don't know what if anything really happened. Is it a real story. I hope so. But throwing the whole post out the window and calling a man a liar because blowing a horn wont help you stop. But it may alert the other driver he is about to get T-boned and maybe just maybe he could help himself to get out of the way. I saw a car chase a man and his family down on the interstate waving clubs out the window. I watched the news that night. It wasn't on the news. You all need to get a life. Yea some people will make up a lie and post it. If I offended you, Oh well post about it. If you don't have proof maybe someone will call you a liar. Threads like this will keep me from coming back.

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marshaul said:

OK, I'm going to say this, and I expect that to be the end of it (although I know better).

Honking a horn is NOT "aggressive", with the possible exception of those entitled to "quiet enjoyment" of their homes (which certainly does NOT apply to other drivers). How is another driver's right infringed by the honking of your horn? Answer: it is not.

It's one thing to suggest that horn-honking can inadvertently escalate a situation. It's quite another to suggest this with even an accusatory tone.

It's exactly the same as rape: it's one thing to tell your daughter she shouldn't wear such a short skirt, as it might encourage aggressive males. It's another thing entirely to point that out after she's been raped. The former is a prudent warning, the latter is simply blaming the victim.

Short skirts do (cannot) not justify rape, and horn-honking does not (cannot) justify an aggressive response. Period, end of discussion.

I'm going to come right out and say it: those who call horn-honking "aggressive" are unintentionally displaying the exact same sort of apish chest-thumping they pretend to decry.

While it may be true that passive people don't "lay on the horn", passive people also don't look for petty things to consider as "aggressive".

Those armchair quarterbacks who are unable to maintain a non-accusatory tone really ought to keep their opinions to themselves. Otherwise, they're dragging down the whole forum with their crap.

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