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    Custom "gunsmith" sues forum and poster for bad review.

    There isn't much details as of yet, but (as I understand it) Tactical Rifles of Florida is suing Marc Soulie of Spartan Precision Rifles for the "Bad out of the Box" youtube review.

    Also named in the suit is the owners and moderator of Sniper's Hide, and Sniper's Hide LLC for allowing this bad review and others to be posted on their forum.

    The boys over at SH seems to be pretty hard on TR.net and David Rooney (owner of TR.net), but it seems to be substantiated claims.

    Expensive firearms (even for custom jobs), long wait times, poor craftsmanship, and bad customer service seems to be norm, according to SH posters.


    This lawsuit seems to be very thinly stretched. Someone posts a bad review with support on a forum, time to get the lawyers involved.


    SH Defense fund, and more of the story.
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    Maybe TR could put that money used for lawyers into quality control. The only problem I saw with the video was the title. Saying bad out of the box was not needed, just let the video speak for itself. But the reviewer/machinist certainly backed up the title.
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    Online reviews are subject to a civil suit ... the truth is an ultimate perfect defense. They'll have to prove a) that they disparaged something b) that it was false c) that they suffered an injury d) how much that injury was

    Most folks don't bother ... especially businesses who don't want to air out and have the issue in the forefront for years.

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    I don't think I've ever seen a new firearm in the shape that one was in. If I bought a weapon, dissembled it for cleaning/lubing, and it looked like that, I'd be looking for my money back.

    Personal opinion: I don't think TR has a legal leg to stand on. This case will probably be tossed.
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    That was so bad that I thought might be a joke.
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    The case should be dismissed on a Civil Rule 12(b)(6) motion - failure to state a claim upon which relief can be granted.

    A plaintiff's obligation is to provide the grounds of his entitlement for relief. The complaint requires more than labels and conclusions, or a recitation of the elements of a cause of action will not do. Factual allegations must be enough to raise a right for relief above the speculative level, on the assumption that all the allegations in the complaint are true.

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    Considering there is video documentary evidence to support every claim he made in that video, I doubt this suit will go anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post
    Considering there is video documentary evidence to support every claim he made in that video, I doubt this suit will go anywhere.
    I doubt it would either, but it is something I am going to keep an eye on.

    I have seen things go the complete opposite than the way that reason would have thought it would.
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    I wonder how many other people have only seen this review because of the suit against it. Bad move.

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    And folks thought Kelo would be a slam dunk in favor of Mrs. Kelo.

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    Some people

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    If you guys want a good, long related read, check out the drama regarding Smith Enterprise, Inc., suing one of their customers.

    SEI, once a serious maker of custom M14 rifles and accessories, has lost a LOT of big-money customers over it, and is still going to lose, as they don't know when to cut their losses.

    http://m14forum.com/feedback/145566-...uit-today.html
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    Take a look at this: http://ftf-comics.com/?comic=tactical-rifles-inc

    With the kind of negative exposure Tactical Rifles is getting, they can either clean up their act or fold up their act.

    Btw, the link to the M14 Forum requires a login. Not today, thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SFCRetired View Post
    ... the link to the M14 Forum requires a login. Not today, thanks.
    Oops, I forgot we moved it to the members-only section because of its nature.

    You can Google "SEI lawsuit", and you will be amazed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    Oops, I forgot we moved it to the members-only section because of its nature.

    You can Google "SEI lawsuit", and you will be amazed.
    I did and I was. SEI has shot itself in the foot bigtime! There were a host of comments from people who said that they would not patronize a company that sued its customers and quite a few saying they would send the money they were planning on using for an SEI product to Dr. Hammond to defend the lawsuit.
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    https://www.dropbox.com/s/9iyxe7ejmw...8Doc_21%29.PDF


    SEI's response to defendant's motion to dismiss..if anyone wants to read it

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