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    Michigan OCer Arrested?

    The charge seems to be that the cop was "sick of playing around"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqMJDHDXI7U
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    Does anyone here know this gentleman? Sounds like we need to show up in force in Romulus. Not just a restaurant meet up, a serious event with press releases.

    Even if I have to go there alone, I would like to let these rocket scientist cops know what I think of their actions.
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    Agree completely,

    Not only should he be contacted for support but what aid can be given to file criminal charges against these officers for the documented crimes they committed here needs to be done. While I can not be at a rally (we are in process of moving back to the US from the UK), any support I am able to give, I will gladly give.

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    i don't know the person in the video, but i know (or i've talked to) the channel owner hellssaints.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michigander View Post
    Does anyone here know this gentleman? Sounds like we need to show up in force in Romulus. Not just a restaurant meet up, a serious event with press releases.

    Even if I have to go there alone, I would like to let these rocket scientist cops know what I think of their actions.
    i'll be there michigander. i live close enough to romulus. just let me know when.
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    i posted this on MOC's facebook page and phil responded

    Phillip HofmeisterI knew of it shortly after it happened in January. I spoke to him and referred him to council.
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    you tube

    The u-tube video posters said he was videoing the events himself, and the cops took his camera and deleted it. If this is true couldn't the cops be charged with tampering and destruction of evidence?

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    Evidence of what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michigander View Post
    Does anyone here know this gentleman? Sounds like we need to show up in force in Romulus. Not just a restaurant meet up, a serious event with press releases.

    Even if I have to go there alone, I would like to let these rocket scientist cops know what I think of their actions.
    MOC president TheQ (Phil H.) has reached out to this individual and has given him the name of a lawyer to assist in his legal struggles. it also seems phil knows the lawyer who took the case for this man
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Birdman View Post
    The u-tube video posters said he was videoing the events himself, and the cops took his camera and deleted it. If this is true couldn't the cops be charged with tampering and destruction of evidence?
    bambuser. uploads to the web, once its on the web. it never goes away. also good idea to password protect your phone. if they try to take it, hit the lock button quickly and hand it over. they cannot make you give your password.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SD40VE View Post
    MOC president TheQ (Phil H.) has reached out to this individual and has given him the name of a lawyer to assist in his legal struggles. it also seems phil knows the lawyer who took the case for this man
    Actually the person I referred him to doesn't seem to be representing him. I know there was conversations had. I don't know why the person I referred him to wasn't retained. I don't know any more details. I try to avoid getting details (on purpose) so that way I don't end up as a witness at someone's trial testifying (being compelled to testify against them) about what they told me. Statements against one's interest are an exception to hearsay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smellslikemichigan View Post
    i'll be there michigander. i live close enough to romulus. just let me know when.
    If my schedule is open at the time you guys plan, I'll be there too. Would love to go to a city council meeting and ask what discipline the falsely-arresting officer is facing.
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    Since no one else has posted the location of the stop, I will: Romulus, Michigan.

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    Pathetic. They should be disciplined and sued.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xmanhockey7 View Post
    Pathetic. They should be disciplined and sued.
    If we are talking about the truth of "should", assuming everything is as it seems and there are no hidden mitigating details, the cops should be as a bare minimum fired and lose the privilege of being cops anywhere else. False arrest and prosecution is about as dirty of a move as a cop can do without physically harming someone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smellslikemichigan View Post
    i'll be there michigander. i live close enough to romulus. just let me know when.
    A city council meeting I am guessing would require a week day, but otherwise I would think sunday would allow for the maximum number of participants.

    I am thinking if it isn't centered around a council meeting that an event like we did for Kimberguy in 2009 in Jackson would be a good option. That is, meeting up in an easy to find park, then a walk through the downtown area and police department followed by stopping at a restaurant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michigander View Post
    Does anyone here know this gentleman? Sounds like we need to show up in force in Romulus. Not just a restaurant meet up, a serious event with press releases.

    Even if I have to go there alone, I would like to let these rocket scientist cops know what I think of their actions.
    Romulus = W. Taylor - expect all sorts of hillbilly nonsense & resistance/ scoffing at the law.

    I smell a nice law suit brewing - OC while black = more money out of tax payer pockets because some cop decided his opinion was superior to MCL. A good indicator of a BS stop is a disorderly conduct charge....which has already been tossed.

    Hope this guy cleans their clocks in a civil suit.
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    Everyone got their MOC names but me haha.

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    Evil creamsicle and I are thinking Sunday March 2nd as a meet up in Romulus day. That day work for you guys?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreeInAZ View Post
    Romulus = W. Taylor - expect all sorts of hillbilly nonsense & resistance/ scoffing at the law.
    Well it certainly never stopped us with Taylor.
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    Alas, all those lawsuits where training is part of the settlement seemed to have no affect here.

    Hope this guy sues for something that PDs will take note of: $$$$
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michigander View Post
    Evil creamsicle and I are thinking Sunday March 2nd as a meet up in Romulus day. That day work for you guys?



    Well it certainly never stopped us with Taylor.
    Very true - very true.

    @ David - cops in general don't give a rats @$$ about losing a civil suit. They lose NOTHING personally! They are paying one tax paying citizen they abused with money the got from other tax paying citizens. The only time they really care is if the losses pile up so much that they face losing their departments insurance coverage. Even with that threat, the individuals on the street may not change short of the department being closed down.

    We as citizens need to push hard for substantial reductions in officers "qualified immunity", via legislation. Until then & only then will we see true reforms in officer conduct. IMHO
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    Damn the audio sucks on this vid. I would love to be able to hear more clearly what was being said.

    Make the meetup on a fri, sat or sun and I'll be there for sure.
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    MOC is having an event in Grand Rapids that day. http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...-Rapids-3-2-14
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raggs View Post
    MOC is having an event in Grand Rapids that day. http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...-Rapids-3-2-14
    Well so far the link has the OP and a comment from Protias in WI. So unless their going to FB & signing up there, I don't think we should be too worried about draining off OCDO members to this event vs. the GR event. ??? However it works out - I hope both events have HUGE numbers in attendance.
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