Michigan OCer Arrested?

davidmcbeth · Feb 20, 2014

Alas, all those lawsuits where training is part of the settlement seemed to have no affect here.

Hope this guy sues for something that PDs will take note of: $$$$

FreeInAZ · Feb 20, 2014

Michigander said:
Evil creamsicle and I are thinking Sunday March 2nd as a meet up in Romulus day. That day work for you guys?

Well it certainly never stopped us with Taylor.

Very true - very true.

@ David - cops in general don't give a rats @$$ about losing a civil suit. They lose NOTHING personally! They are paying one tax paying citizen they abused with money the got from other tax paying citizens. The only time they really care is if the losses pile up so much that they face losing their departments insurance coverage. Even with that threat, the individuals on the street may not change short of the department being closed down.

We as citizens need to push hard for substantial reductions in officers "qualified immunity", via legislation. Until then & only then will we see true reforms in officer conduct. IMHO

DeSchaine · Feb 20, 2014

Damn the audio sucks on this vid. I would love to be able to hear more clearly what was being said.

Make the meetup on a fri, sat or sun and I'll be there for sure.

Raggs · Feb 20, 2014

MOC is having an event in Grand Rapids that day. http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?119739-Open-Carry-MARCH-Grand-Rapids-3-2-14

FreeInAZ · Feb 20, 2014

Raggs said:
MOC is having an event in Grand Rapids that day. http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?119739-Open-Carry-MARCH-Grand-Rapids-3-2-14

Well so far the link has the OP and a comment from Protias in WI. So unless their going to FB & signing up there, I don't think we should be too worried about draining off OCDO members to this event vs. the GR event. ??? However it works out - I hope both events have HUGE numbers in attendance.

Raggs · Feb 20, 2014

Having two events for basically the same thing at the same time might not be the best way. However I am not a member of moc so perhaps they should comment if they want

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FreeInAZ · Feb 20, 2014

Raggs said:
Having two events for basically the same thing at the same time might not be the best way. However I am not a member of moc so perhaps they should comment if they want

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Well one never knows? If it played out well I could see the evening news going something like this: "Gun rights activists appeared at city meetings across the state today..."

Note the term gun rights advocates SUCKS! My guns have no rights. HUMANS have rights: therefore anything that can be taken away from our natural rights to defend ourselves is....wait for it..... a HUMAN RIGHTS issue.

Michigander · Feb 20, 2014

Let's be clear on something, I am no longer a member of MOC, and I don't interact with them in any official capacity. I wish them the best with their march, but in light of the irreconcilable differences I pointed out in the past, as well as the quantity of help MOC offered with the march I attempted to organize last year, what MOC prefers is not so very relevant to me. There is also the consideration that in the time period of 2009 to 2011, there were pretty frequent double and triple headers. If we have sunk so far that we can't still pull that off if we want to, especially on two different sides of the state, I would interpret that as meaning we deserve to fail.

bigt8261 · Feb 20, 2014

Thanks Raggs for pointing out the MOC event on March 2nd. This will be a big event and I have already heard from people that will be coming from all across the state. By that, I mean that I have received personal messages from people that will be coming from both northern Michigan and the east side of the state. Everyone is coming together to send a huge message in GR.

I respectfully request that you do not have another event on the same day. This isn't about competition, this is about attracting the maximum possible crowd to BOTH events. Two large events on separate days is better than two medium events on the same day. Also, think of the press cycle. Events on different days will keep the topic in the news.

I'm sorry for whatever happened with you. As MOC's newest board member, I can say that things are different from 4-5 years ago. It has been quite a learning experience for the organization.

Michigander · Feb 20, 2014

I remain quite unconvinced that a significant number of people wish to go to both, and it is in that sense that unless a bunch of people post on here saying they want to go to both and want the date to be held, that it won't matter. If I am proven wrong by people here wanting to get active, I will put my money where my mouth is and attend both myself, and obviously that would be really cool and what I would prefer...

I am most definitely not concerned with competition. Collectivist **** swinging is what tends to ruin gun rights activist organizations in this state, and I certainly saw a lot of the trouble unfold in the past when I was active with MOC. Sure, there are twisted individuals who throw a wrench in the gears for even lesser reasons, but by and large, wanting to feel special and superior to other organizations and leaders destroys it. Meanwhile, all I am saying is that a group of us, or just me if needed, need to go to Romulus and stand up not for ourselves or any organization or any petty nonsense, but for liberty itself. I do hope others here feel the same way.

Grapeshot · Feb 20, 2014

(12) NO BASHING OF OTHER GUN RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS: Regardless of how convinced you are that another gun rights organization is not doing their job, this is not the place to air those concerns unless they are specifically related to an anti-open carry position taken by that organization. All other rants against other gun rights groups will be deleted or the thread locked.

Michigander · Feb 20, 2014

Grapeshot said:
(12) NO BASHING OF OTHER GUN RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS: Regardless of how convinced you are that another gun rights organization is not doing their job, this is not the place to air those concerns unless they are specifically related to an anti-open carry position taken by that organization. All other rants against other gun rights groups will be deleted or the thread locked.

Aside from the one note I deleted about events over a decade ago (and it was and is an important story to understand for those who don't) I was not and am not bashing any gun rights orgs. I am however trying to offer insight which may be used constructively by anyone who wants to use it that way. I was after all a founding member of MOC, one of the first 3 OCers who met up in Brighton 7 years ago, and I am as hopeful as anyone that greater success will find us in due time after more hard work. We cannot however get there by squabbling over dumb ****, and that is the meat of what I am saying.

OC for ME · Feb 21, 2014

Grapeshot said:
(12) NO BASHING OF OTHER GUN RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS: Regardless of how convinced you are that another gun rights organization is not doing their job, this is not the place to air those concerns unless they are specifically related to an anti-open carry position taken by that organization. All other rants against other gun rights groups will be deleted or the thread locked.

Who, exactly, bashed who, or what? I didn't read any bashing comments.

ebabymusic313 · Feb 24, 2014

Here I am

Michigander said:
Does anyone here know this gentleman? Sounds like we need to show up in force in Romulus. Not just a restaurant meet up, a serious event with press releases.

Even if I have to go there alone, I would like to let these rocket scientist cops know what I think of their actions.

Hello everyone. That was me and that video. If y'all would like to have a meet in Greek open carry that would be great. We have to stand up to these cops. Romulus just like to hassle people for no reason. Let's make it happen. Anyone need me email me ebabymusic313@Gmail.com I really would like to be apart of this.

OC4me · Feb 24, 2014

ebabymusic313 said:
Hello everyone. That was me and that video. If y'all would like to have a meet in Greek open carry that would be great. We have to stand up to these cops. Romulus just like to hassle people for no reason. Let's make it happen. Anyone need me email me ebabymusic313@Gmail.com I really would like to be apart of this.

Welcome to the forum ebabymusic and thanks for exercising your rights! Sorry that my family and I are too far away to attend any sort of meet & greet but I hope that others will take you up on your offer. You'll find a lot of supportive members of this forum.

Evil Creamsicle · Feb 24, 2014

ebabymusic313 said:
Hello everyone. That was me and that video. If y'all would like to have a meet in Greek open carry that would be great. We have to stand up to these cops. Romulus just like to hassle people for no reason. Let's make it happen. Anyone need me email me ebabymusic313@Gmail.com I really would like to be apart of this.

Welcome. Michigander and I, and I'm sure others, were hoping you might find your way here. I'm game if a meetup is going to go down.

Michigander · Feb 24, 2014

ebaby, so glad you signed up here.

I do believe my point has been demonstrated in regards to the lack of people wanting to attend both events. For this reason, I would suggest we meet up on sunday, barring any disagreement on the grounds of wanting to go to both. If this looks like it will work out, I will make a new thread within the next day or so to structure the event (not that we can't do multiples).

ebabymusic313 · Feb 25, 2014

Thanks again

Michigander said:
ebaby, so glad you signed up here.

I do believe my point has been demonstrated in regards to the lack of people wanting to attend both events. For this reason, I would suggest we meet up on sunday, barring any disagreement on the grounds of wanting to go to both. If this looks like it will work out, I will make a new thread within the next day or so to structure the event (not that we can't do multiples).

Thanks to everyone for having me. We can meet up any time what ever fit everyone. I still open carry. I am looking to sue the department of Romulus police. They keep hassling me that I'm opening carrying. I'm just waiting on a day we all get together and meet and stand up for our right's. I'm 23 year's old and I will not lose my rights to some cop's thay hate to see citizens arm.

Michigander · Feb 25, 2014

New thread posted in the Michigan events sub forum. http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...us-meet-up-3-2-14-11-am&p=2039238#post2039238

Ezerharden · Feb 26, 2014

Michigander said:
ebaby, so glad you signed up here.

I do believe my point has been demonstrated in regards to the lack of people wanting to attend both events. For this reason, I would suggest we meet up on sunday, barring any disagreement on the grounds of wanting to go to both. If this looks like it will work out, I will make a new thread within the next day or so to structure the event (not that we can't do multiples).

I would likely make both if on different days. Romulus is much closer to me however I have already committed to Grand Rapids for that day.

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