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    OCer arrested on VSU campus

    Arrested for what crime?

    No details yet - will wait and see. Wonder if it was anyone from here.

    http://www.nbc12.com/story/24765217/...-on-vsu-campus
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    For reference, here is the applicable firearm restriction for VSU from the Virginia Administrative Code:

    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...+8VAC110-10-20

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    I sure hope this is a private school and not funded by even $1.00 of taxpayer money. I hope the campus also has to pay a large settlement when he sues the school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmelvin View Post
    For reference, here is the applicable firearm restriction for VSU from the Virginia Administrative Code:

    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...+8VAC110-10-20
    Guess we are left to consider the person refused the request to leave the property as the Statute allows for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TraumaRN View Post
    Guess we are left to consider the person refused the request to leave the property as the Statute allows for.
    Point of order - Virginia Adminstrative Codes are not statutes.

    The way that particular code section is written it could apply to virtually anyone armed anywhere on campus - that won't hold water.

    Refusal to leave (trespass) generally causes a citation/summons to be issued (misdemeanor) - not cuffed and stuffed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Point of order - Virginia Adminstrative Codes are not statutes.

    The way that particular code section is written it could apply to virtually anyone armed anywhere on campus - that won't hold water.

    Refusal to leave (trespass) generally causes a citation/summons to be issued (misdemeanor) - not cuffed and stuffed.
    But not always it seems. This incident will be very interesting to follow.

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    If the man is not a student, faculty, or staff as mentioned, or a visitor attending an event where people congregate in any public or outdoor areas, then I'm not sure that the regulation would apply (such as if he were simply taking a walk across campus).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmelvin View Post
    If the man is not a student, faculty, or staff as mentioned, or a visitor attending an event where people congregate in any public or outdoor areas, then I'm not sure that the regulation would apply (such as if he were simply taking a walk across campus).
    Cops have trouble understanding secured container.....imagine one trying to figure out if a regulation applies.

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    It's for the children...

    Oh, wait...
    Ten minutes later police arrested a male, who isn't a student for carrying a weapon on university property and carrying a concealed weapon.
    How did they see it if it was concealed?
    Last edited by Maverick9; 02-19-2014 at 09:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick9 View Post
    It's for the children...

    Oh, wait...


    How did they see it if it was concealed?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick9 View Post
    How did they see it if it was concealed?
    I wondered if he wasn't carrying two guns. One OC, and a concealed backup gun too? (or some other concealed 'weapon'?)

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    Another article with slightly more detail (but mostly is angled towards irrational reactions.... the 'OMG they didn't tell us there was a MAN WITH A GUN on campus' type stuff... )....

    http://progress-index.com/news/man-w...tion-1.1637716
    Last edited by Blk97F150; 02-20-2014 at 06:27 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blk97F150 View Post
    I wondered if he wasn't carrying two guns. One OC, and a concealed backup gun too? (or some other concealed 'weapon'?)
    Officers detained two men who Reed said were not students at 11:10 a.m. One of the men was carrying a weapon.

    The suspect, whose identity is not yet being released, will be charged in Chesterfield County with carrying a weapon on university property and carrying a concealed weapon.
    http://wtvr.com/2014/02/19/vsu-gun-arrest/

    One man was arrested by VSU police and will be charged in Chesterfield County with carrying a weapon on university property and carrying a concealed weapon, according to a statement by university spokesman...
    http://progress-index.com/news/man-w...tion-1.1637716
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Officers detained two men who Reed said were not students at 11:10 a.m. One of the men was carrying a weapon.

    The suspect, whose identity is not yet being released, will be charged in Chesterfield County with carrying a weapon on university property and carrying a concealed weapon.
    http://wtvr.com/2014/02/19/vsu-gun-arrest/

    One man was arrested by VSU police and will be charged in Chesterfield County with carrying a weapon on university property and carrying a concealed weapon, according to a statement by university spokesman...
    http://progress-index.com/news/man-w...tion-1.1637716
    Two questions come up. One has already been asked. If it was concealed, how did they see it. The other is if they are using the carrying on University Property as an add on.
    Starting to sound like they were detained for something else and searched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Officers detained two men who Reed said were not students at 11:10 a.m. One of the men was carrying a weapon.

    The suspect, whose identity is not yet being released, will be charged in Chesterfield County with carrying a weapon on university property and carrying a concealed weapon.
    http://wtvr.com/2014/02/19/vsu-gun-arrest/

    One man was arrested by VSU police and will be charged in Chesterfield County with carrying a weapon on university property and carrying a concealed weapon, according to a statement by university spokesman...
    http://progress-index.com/news/man-w...tion-1.1637716
    Don't misunderstand... I'm not saying that ANY of the charges are proper... I'm just trying to figure out how they ended up with a concealed charge if the gun was visible. I guessed that backup gun might explain that part of it. (although, yes... there are still other outstanding questions... ).

    One thing I noticed as well... every article indicates that he 'will be charged' (meaning he hasn't been yet??)... and they have refused to release the mans name because they are 'still investigating'. I wonder if they know they are treading on thin ice, and are trying to figure out where they go from here?
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    The big problem here is that the knuckleheads will read the headlines and "know" that it is against the law to carry a gun onto a university campus.

    Of course they will "drop" the "charge" because it doesn't exist! But does THAT make the headlines? Of course not. Cops win, they have just convinced 10% more of the people that they are now SURE it's illegal because they READ it in the newspaper!

    Assuming what we think, that this is a trumped up charge, VCDL should INSIST that this be resolved just as publicly as it was started. It's in everyone's interest to stop this sort of propaganda, which is EXACTLY what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    The big problem here is that the knuckleheads will read the headlines and "know" that it is against the law to carry a gun onto a university campus.

    Of course they will "drop" the "charge" because it doesn't exist! But does THAT make the headlines? Of course not. Cops win, they have just convinced 10% more of the people that they are now SURE it's illegal because they READ it in the newspaper!

    Assuming what we think, that this is a trumped up charge, VCDL should INSIST that this be resolved just as publicly as it was started. It's in everyone's interest to stop this sort of propaganda, which is EXACTLY what it is.

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    Yep!
    Kinda doubt VCDL will get involved though. They've been reluctant to do it in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    <snip> Cops win, they have just convinced 10% more of the people that they are now SURE it's illegal because they READ it in the newspaper!
    Well those 10% won't be clamoring for a "new law" then

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Yep!
    Kinda doubt VCDL will get involved though. They've been reluctant to do it in the past.
    Why is that, or why do you think that has been the case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Two questions come up. One has already been asked. If it was concealed, how did they see it. The other is if they are using the carrying on University Property as an add on.
    Starting to sound like they were detained for something else and searched.
    I have to agree with Nap here.

    The thread title "OCer Arrested..." may be a misnomer. If the individual was detained and subsequently searched and found to be CCing without a CHP, then a charge of Carrying a Concealed Weapon would logically follow. The "Carrying on Campus" charge might have been tacked on, but may not have any teeth if the individual wasn't associated with the school.

    I doubt VCDL would get involved until more is known about the firearm carry charge. It might actually be legit.
    A law-abiding citizen should be able to carry his personal protection firearm anywhere that an armed criminal might go.

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    richmond times dispatch

    "Virginia State University police arrested a man carrying a gun on the campus Wednesday morning after being alerted by students that he had a visible weapon."

    http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/lo...a4bcf6878.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by BB62 View Post
    Why is that, or why do you think that has been the case?
    They have a track record.

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    Originally Posted by peter nap

    Yep!
    Kinda doubt VCDL will get involved though. They've been reluctant to do it in the past.
    Quote Originally Posted by BB62 View Post
    Why is that, or why do you think that has been the case?
    Often times the specific, verifiable circumstances are not known until after the charges are dropped and an attorney has been secured. The information is normally reported in Va-Alerts though. If the person is already a BG, that too is reported with clarification.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Often times the specific, verifiable circumstances are not known until after the charges are dropped and an attorney has been secured. The information is normally reported in Va-Alerts though. If the person is already a BG, that too is reported with clarification.
    Better answer than mine!

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    Originally Posted by Grapeshot

    Often times the specific, verifiable circumstances are not known until after the charges are dropped and an attorney has been secured. The information is normally reported in Va-Alerts though. If the person is already a BG, that too is reported with clarification.
    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Better answer than mine!
    Once in the hands of an attorney, little public discussion will take place until after the fact. Sometimes even then non-disclosure agreements limit what will be told.
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