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    Cops throw jogger to the ground demand ID

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014...-in-handcuffs/

    Little girl jogging. What heroes.

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    We'll see what she is charged with ... maybe jaywalking, who knows.

    Texas is not a stop & ID state .... sooo, we'll see

    She learned a valuable lesson ... cops are not there to protect you.

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    Hope she was wearing a bra. With that cutoff shirt, I'd imagine there was some exposure going on. Perhaps that is the reasoning for the stop.

    In any case, I don't agree with the heavy handedness of all that.
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    Another domestic terrorist thwarted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuller Malarkey View Post
    Another domestic terrorist thwarted.
    We know who's doing the terrorizing...and it ain't joggers.

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    The young victim will hopefully never have to work again for the remainder of her life and hopefully the criminals will be put behind bars and then be penniless the remained of their miserable lives... Can you say USC 42 section 1983 litigation. I would advise her and her family to seek counsel and file a major lawsuit...

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    There is no connection To OC or RKBA in this thread.

    Yes I know it is in the Social Lounge, but the intent of this sub-forum is not to provide a soapbox and post a litany of negatively perceived actions of law enforcement officers. Lately there has been no dearth of such sensationally worded and directed threads.

    Where specific problems with LEA, RKBA and OC specifically occurs, it more properly belongs in that state sub-forum in most cases.

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    I think the police acted properly.

    Jay walking is dangerous and this was for her safety.

    I hope she has plenty of time in jail to think about her actions.

    We as a nation can NOT let people get away with crossing a street outside of some painted lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onus View Post
    I think the police acted properly.

    Jay walking is dangerous and this was for her safety.

    I hope she has plenty of time in jail to think about her actions.

    We as a nation can NOT let people get away with crossing a street outside of some painted lines.
    What a cop apologist. You make me sick. :-D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    What a cop apologist. You make me sick. :-D

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    Well maybe the cops thought she supports OC? (For Grapeshot ). Yikes man! You better not let a Kleenex fall out of your sweater pocket while jogging in that town - they'll call in DELTA force & a drone strike on your @$$.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    There is no connection To OC or RKBA in this thread.

    Yes I know it is in the Social Lounge, but the intent of this sub-forum is not to provide a soapbox and post a litany of negatively perceived actions of law enforcement officers. Lately there has been no dearth of such sensationally worded and directed threads.

    Where specific problems with LEA, RKBA and OC specifically occurs, it more properly belongs in that state sub-forum in most cases.

    Let's get back to the business of promoting and defending the right to carry properly holstered handguns as we go about our every day routines.
    I believe that the point of sharing this is that, it's not just those of "us" who OC that are having rights attacked. IF this stop and ID thing can be done to an unarmed victim such as the gal shown, then it would be a logical upgrade of force for the government to sign off on killing those of us who OC and don't cooperate with costume wearing, thugs, (I mean) government agents when they want to stop and ID "us".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    There is no connection To OC or RKBA in this thread. I DISAGREE, THE CRIMINALS IN THE VIDEO ARE IN FACT OPEN CARRYING A FIRE ARM, AND THEY SHOULD BE EXPOSED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC OR AT LEAST TO THE FINE FOLKS ON THIS BOARD... CCJ

    Yes I know it is in the Social Lounge, but the intent of this sub-forum is not to provide a soapbox and post a litany of negatively perceived actions of law enforcement officers. Lately there has been no dearth of such sensationally worded and directed threads.

    Where specific problems with LEA, RKBA and OC specifically occurs, it more properly belongs in that state sub-forum in most cases.

    Let's get back to the business of promoting and defending the right to carry properly holstered handguns as we go about our every day routines.
    Hi Grapeshot,

    Holy Cow, I actually assumed the young jogger was open carrying while jogging, I said to myself, self, what reason would those fat bully, I hope soon to be ex-cops have for throwing a citizen down on the ground and kidnapping her unless of course said jogger was open carrying a fire arm...Lol.. Now that would be a story...

    Grape, I respect the great work you are doing here on OCDO... You may want to consider a sub-tread titled " Criminal Police Behavior"...
    My guess is it would be the most widely viewed and discussed thread on this great board. I agree that bashing of law abiding law enforcement officers should not be tolerated here on OCDO.. However exposing criminal behavior even alleged criminal behavior by the man and woman hired to serve and uphold the law of the land should be exposed. The second a LEO crosses the line and violates a citizens rights, at that second, that LEO, in my opinion is no longer a LEO but a criminal wearing a badge and open carrying a weapon.

    My .02

    Grapeshot, I appreciate the fine work you are doing here at OCDO and I enjoy reading your post.

    Thank you and best regards.

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    This is on the drag across the street from UT Austin main campus. About 30,000 students a day go by that spot. Austin cops just picking on a co-ed on west campus. Austin, where all the old hippies are smokin dope, driving their Prius', and the cops find UT students to be an easy target. Since these photos are from the Daily Texan, would expect all sorts of hell breaking out on campus, the law school and the student law center about Austin cops violating this girl's rights not to produce ID.

    Here's the latest:
    http://www.dailytexanonline.com/news...g-intersection
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    Well thank GOD for those brave officers. Lord knows the damage a half naked coed in toe shoes can do!

    Woo Hoo... Lest hear it for Americas finest!

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    Thank you for the link HPmatt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tackleberry1 View Post
    Well thank GOD for those brave officers. Lord knows the damage a half naked coed in toe shoes can do!

    Woo Hoo... Lest hear it for Americas finest!
    Hey.... think of all the car accidents they avoided from gawkers. :-D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    Hey.... think of all the car accidents they avoided from gawkers. :-D
    I remember getting a ticket from Austin's finest for rolling through a stop sign a few blocks from there - was watching some girls similar to her in my rearview mirror. Thank goodness no one was legally walking across in front of me….
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    Updated (6:45 p.m.): At a press conference held Friday, APD police chief Art Acevedo addressed the recent arrest of 24-year-old Amanda Jo Stephen, who was taken into custody Thursday after crossing an intersection at a red light. Stephen was formally charged with “failure to identify” and “failure to obey a pedestrian control device” and was released from Travis County Central Booking Thursday evening.
    From updated link above^^^

    Looks like the initial stop was for failure to follow a control device ... likely

    From police FB acct..
    Facts regarding the West/North Campus Traffic Initiative arrest

    The Austin Police Department (APD) takes traffic safety and the safety of Austin’s residents seriously.

    In the last 5 years in the City of Austin we have had 1,757 pedestrians injured in traffic crashes and 96 lives have been lost in traffic crashes involving pedestrians.

    The District Representatives began the West/North Campus Traffic Initiative on Feb.1 to address the community’s concerns regarding pedestrians and traffic in the neighborhood. The initiative is planned to continue, until the community’s issues are addressed.

    The goals of the initiative are to reduce complaints, crashes and the overall number of violations and citations in the area.

    The ultimate goal is to change behavior, not to write citations.

    The first week of the initiative addressed bicycle violations, the second motor vehicle violations and this week pedestrian violations.

    Yesterday’s initiative resulted in 28 stops; 7 of those stops resulted in citations issued for disregarding traffic control devices.

    Two officers in full uniform at the time of the arrest were working the West/North Campus Initiative. One of the officers was standing at the corner of an intersection and the other officer was standing a few feet away.

    The individual ignored the traffic control device and ran against the red light through the intersection. As she did this she ran right past the APD officer standing at the intersection, at which point he yelled for her to stop. The female continued running. The second officer heard the other officer yelling at someone to stop and then ran after the female also yelling at her to stop. At this point, the second officer and the female were side by side, the officer grabbed the female’s arm and immediately identified himself as an APD officer. The female then became uncooperative and confrontational with the officers and refused to identify herself, which is required by law.

    One point APD would like to clarify is section 38.02 of the Texas Penal Code: Failure to Identify-(a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally refuses to give his name, residence address, or date of birth to a peace officer who has lawfully arrested the person and requested the information.
    (b) A person commits an offense if he intentionally gives a false or fictitious name, residence address, or date of birth to a peace officer who has:
    (1) lawfully arrested the person;
    (2) lawfully detained the person; or
    (3) requested the information from a person that the peace officer has good cause to believe is a witness to a criminal offense.
    (c) Except as provided by Subsections (d) and (e), an offense under this section is:
    (1) a Class C misdemeanor if the offense is committed under Subsection (a); or
    (2) a Class B misdemeanor if the offense is committed under Subsection (b).
    (d) If it is shown on the trial of an offense under this section that the defendant was a fugitive from justice at the time of the offense, the offense is:
    (1) a Class B misdemeanor if the offense is committed under Subsection (a); or
    (2) a Class A misdemeanor if the offense is committed under Subsection (b).
    (e) If conduct that constitutes an offense under this section also constitutes an offense under Section 106.07, Alcoholic Beverage Code, the actor may be prosecuted only under Section 106.07.

    The female was arrested for Failure to Identify and Failure to Obey a Pedestrian Control Device.

    https://www.facebook.com/AustinPolice ^^

    I cannot find an ordinance for Austin for failure to follow traffic control devices although I found some for other TX towns and the university notes it in their rules (http://www.utexas.edu/parking/rules/sec4.html) .. so I'm guessing its an infraction.

    Sounds like the initial stop was valid and her refusal to show ID would be valid.

    People don't like the force used then? You have never been arrested then ... lol

    We all know why this is a story..

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Updated (6:45 p.m.): At a press conference held Friday, APD police chief Art Acevedo addressed the recent arrest of 24-year-old Amanda Jo Stephen, who was taken into custody Thursday after crossing an intersection at a red light. Stephen was formally charged with “failure to identify” and “failure to obey a pedestrian control device” and was released from Travis County Central Booking Thursday evening.
    From updated link above^^^

    Looks like the initial stop was for failure to follow a control device ... likely

    From police FB acct..
    Facts regarding the West/North Campus Traffic Initiative arrest

    The Austin Police Department (APD) takes traffic safety and the safety of Austin’s residents seriously.

    In the last 5 years in the City of Austin we have had 1,757 pedestrians injured in traffic crashes and 96 lives have been lost in traffic crashes involving pedestrians.

    The District Representatives began the West/North Campus Traffic Initiative on Feb.1 to address the community’s concerns regarding pedestrians and traffic in the neighborhood. The initiative is planned to continue, until the community’s issues are addressed.

    The goals of the initiative are to reduce complaints, crashes and the overall number of violations and citations in the area.

    The ultimate goal is to change behavior, not to write citations.

    The first week of the initiative addressed bicycle violations, the second motor vehicle violations and this week pedestrian violations.

    Yesterday’s initiative resulted in 28 stops; 7 of those stops resulted in citations issued for disregarding traffic control devices.

    Two officers in full uniform at the time of the arrest were working the West/North Campus Initiative. One of the officers was standing at the corner of an intersection and the other officer was standing a few feet away.

    The individual ignored the traffic control device and ran against the red light through the intersection. As she did this she ran right past the APD officer standing at the intersection, at which point he yelled for her to stop. The female continued running. The second officer heard the other officer yelling at someone to stop and then ran after the female also yelling at her to stop. At this point, the second officer and the female were side by side, the officer grabbed the female’s arm and immediately identified himself as an APD officer. The female then became uncooperative and confrontational with the officers and refused to identify herself, which is required by law.

    One point APD would like to clarify is section 38.02 of the Texas Penal Code: Failure to Identify-(a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally refuses to give his name, residence address, or date of birth to a peace officer who has lawfully arrested the person and requested the information.
    (b) A person commits an offense if he intentionally gives a false or fictitious name, residence address, or date of birth to a peace officer who has:
    (1) lawfully arrested the person;
    (2) lawfully detained the person; or
    (3) requested the information from a person that the peace officer has good cause to believe is a witness to a criminal offense.
    (c) Except as provided by Subsections (d) and (e), an offense under this section is:
    (1) a Class C misdemeanor if the offense is committed under Subsection (a); or
    (2) a Class B misdemeanor if the offense is committed under Subsection (b).
    (d) If it is shown on the trial of an offense under this section that the defendant was a fugitive from justice at the time of the offense, the offense is:
    (1) a Class B misdemeanor if the offense is committed under Subsection (a); or
    (2) a Class A misdemeanor if the offense is committed under Subsection (b).
    (e) If conduct that constitutes an offense under this section also constitutes an offense under Section 106.07, Alcoholic Beverage Code, the actor may be prosecuted only under Section 106.07.

    The female was arrested for Failure to Identify and Failure to Obey a Pedestrian Control Device.

    https://www.facebook.com/AustinPolice ^^

    I cannot find an ordinance for Austin for failure to follow traffic control devices although I found some for other TX towns and the university notes it in their rules (http://www.utexas.edu/parking/rules/sec4.html) .. so I'm guessing its an infraction.

    Sounds like the initial stop was valid and her refusal to show ID would be valid.

    People don't like the force used then? You have never been arrested then ... lol

    We all know why this is a story..
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    FAILURE TO FOLLOW A CONTROL DEVICE... SEEMS LIKE A REASONABLE JUSTIFICATION FOR THROWING SOMEONE TO THE GROUND AND HANDCUFFING THEM... GREAT POLICE WORK.. INDEED!

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryclubjoe View Post
    Hi

    FAILURE TO FOLLOW A CONTROL DEVICE... SEEMS LIKE A REASONABLE JUSTIFICATION FOR THROWING SOMEONE TO THE GROUND AND HANDCUFFING THEM... GREAT POLICE WORK.. INDEED!

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    Usually when you get arrested its not a pleasant experience ... I know ! My convictions: zero. I'm Mr. Teflon lol ('cause I don't run around committing crimes mainly).

    I know (ie my guess) what happened, she had her headphones on, oblivious to the world around her - crossed on a red ... then got upset when a cop lawfully stopped her (here's some info: cops don't like to run around-so the cop wasn't happy he had to chase her down) and refused to provide ID that lead to an arrest. If it was you or me who behaved that way it would have been bully clubs to the brainbox. Clunk!

    I actually miss the days when cops would just give you a clunk on the head and then send you on your way for minor stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    Hey.... think of all the car accidents they avoided from gawkers. :-D

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    All the accidents were from the gawkers watching a half naked woman being thrown to the ground by two overweight slobs with nothing better to do.. In this case some of the gawkers had video recorders to record such excellent police work. Another black eye for the law enforcement community.. Like I said in previous post, the young victim will have some cash for her future from the USC 42 section 1983 litigation and hopefully the four idiots involved in her arrest will be penniless and spooning with bubba for a long time to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryclubjoe View Post
    All the accidents were from the gawkers watching a half naked woman being thrown to the ground by two overweight slobs with nothing better to do.. In this case some of the gawkers had video recorders to record such excellent police work. Another black eye for the law enforcement community.. Like I said in previous post, the young victim will have some cash for her future from the USC 42 section 1983 litigation and hopefully the four idiots involved in her arrest will be penniless and spooning with bubba for a long time to come.

    Regards

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    It seems she wont... Another poster already cleared the matter up with cites.

    The city residents want accidents to stop. There's apparently been a rash of then the last 5 years with numerous fatalities. So the residents called for action . They came up with a 3 phase plan. The last phase focused on people crossing where and when your supposed to so you don't get run over by cars.

    Officers were there for this reason. The girl ran by not paying attention. She didn't follow the stop light or signal. They attempted to stop her to give her a citation (or could've been a warning). She didn't stop because she wasn't paying attention. They grabbed her to get her attention. She freaked out probably not even realizing she did anything wrong. She refuses to ID herself. Got arrested per the cites statute.

    I understand this may not jive with preconceived notions.... but that doesn't make it untrue or any less legal. There are plenty of other cases of police stupidity/brutality this one just isn't one of them.

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