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    Cop shoots firefighter in KCMO

    http://fox4kc.com/2014/02/25/cell-ph...o-and-hubbard/

    This video was posted yesterday on the FOX4 website.

    I personally grew up with Anthony Bruno, the man in this video. I didn't know him well but his sisters knew and hung out with my sisters.

    Anyway, two reasons I'm posting this here.

    1. I'm a long time reader of the site and I've come to respect the opinions of most of you here.

    2. Your take is on this and mostly what are the responsibilities of off-duty LEOs to put themselves in situations like this. Couldn't he have simply called it in and kept over-watch over the suspect until backup arrived?

    Thanks for reading.

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    It was a clear cut case of self defense by the officer. Bruno was completely out of control and was beating the hell out of him.

    He also ran from the scene, so I'm not sure how the officer was supposed to just watch him until backup arrived.

    I support the decision of the grand jury 100%.

    I'm also sorry that this happened to somebody you knew and can understand why you're looking for answers.
    Last edited by Mo; 02-26-2014 at 09:43 AM. Reason: added comment

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    Tough for all concerned.

    A "cop did not shoot a firefighter."

    A "cop" defended himself from a citizen who was attacking him while he was attempting to do his job.

    Alcohol is a factor, .21 BAC, good judgement was impaired and a tragic outcome is the result.

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    Now when cops do this to other cops, usually the shooter gets harassed to heck by his fellow workers. WOnder if the same will happen here. "Sorry I sprayed ya with the hose and then ran you over with the fire truck"

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Tough for all concerned.

    A "cop did not shoot a firefighter."

    A "cop" defended himself from a citizen who was attacking him while he was attempting to do his job.

    Alcohol is a factor, .21 BAC, good judgement was impaired and a tragic outcome is the result.
    Yes, the main thing I'm hung up on I guess is the fact the officer was off duty. What are your responsibilities in a situation like this? Should you be chasing groups of people down the street and attempting arrests while off duty?

    The thread title was just the headline I've heard locally around the city, figured locals would recognize the topic faster.



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    Quote Originally Posted by thedudejdog View Post
    Yes, the main thing I'm hung up on I guess is the fact the officer was off duty. What are your responsibilities in a situation like this? Should you be chasing groups of people down the street and attempting arrests while off duty?

    The thread title was just the headline I've heard locally around the city, figured locals would recognize the topic faster.



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    Depends on your department. We have a policy that your never really "off-duty". You have to respond or assist if you see something blatantly right in front of you. Its on the officer to use discretion as to how he responds to incident. If someone is clearly getting hurt then I'd say you have to intervene or get possibly fired. This case didn't seem as if anyone was initially getting hurt and I don't know their policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    Depends on your department. We have a policy that your never really "off-duty". You have to respond or assist if you see something blatantly right in front of you. Its on the officer to use discretion as to how he responds to incident. If someone is clearly getting hurt then I'd say you have to intervene or get possibly fired. This case didn't seem as if anyone was initially getting hurt and I don't know their policy.

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    From what I understand, there was a fare dispute between Mr. Bruno and a taxi driver where Mr. Bruno allegedly assaulted the driver and called police. The off duty officer was in uniform and working at a nearby hotel and heard the call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mo View Post
    From what I understand, there was a fare dispute between Mr. Bruno and a taxi driver where Mr. Bruno allegedly assaulted the driver and called police. The off duty officer was in uniform and working at a nearby hotel and heard the call.
    Got it.. thanks for the clarification.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mo View Post
    From what I understand, there was a fare dispute between Mr. Bruno and a taxi driver where Mr. Bruno allegedly assaulted the driver and called police. The off duty officer was in uniform and working at a nearby hotel and heard the call.
    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Tough for all concerned.

    A "cop did not shoot a firefighter."

    A "cop" defended himself from a citizen who was attacking him while he was attempting to do his job.

    Alcohol is a factor, .21 BAC, good judgement was impaired and a tragic outcome is the result.
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    The cop was in uniform and as such his status is irrelevant. RSMo 565.081,.082, and .083 make it a crime to assault a cop.

    I suspect that the cop was authorized to engage Bruno. Bruno made a poor choice when confronted by a uniformed cop. He should have submitted to the cops authority and then pursued a redress of wrongs later.

    RSMo 544 enumerates the powers that a cop in MO has regarding arrests. RSMo 544.216 specifically provides the authority for the cop to engage Bruno:
    ...may arrest on view, and without a warrant, any person the officer sees violating or who such officer has reasonable grounds to believe has violated any law of this state, including a misdemeanor or infraction, or has violated any ordinance over which such officer has jurisdiction.
    It is reported that the cop was responding to a report of a assault. He had a reasonable belief based on the report he received/heard. As a reminder, there is no such thing as a detainment in MO, only arrest. Whether or not the cop cuffs and stuffs, or just talks, once you submit to his authority you are under arrest.

    Bruno resisted arrest. This entire incident is on Bruno and no other person.

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    Anyone else find the nearly constant misuse of the term "assault" as frustrating as I do?

    In many states, including Kansas, Assault = threatening bodily harm. Battery = causing bodily harm. If this guy assaulted someone with his bare hands, as the article says, then he should be arrested, but it really isn't that big of a deal and it could have waited for on-duty police to show up. If he ran, he could be tracked down later since his bride was there, and it was a minor crime anyway. So if he was only accused of assault the off-duty officer arguably went to far by chasing him down and trying to arrest him. Still a good shoot, just could have been handled much better.

    However, if he was battering the cabbie as I suspect is actually the case, then physical intervention and immediate restraint is called for if possible, and so the officers actions are fully justified in my opinion.

    My point being... If you are going to report news in a particular state, take the time to learn the laws that apply to any legal terms you might frequently need to use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arentol View Post
    Anyone else find the nearly constant misuse of the term "assault" as frustrating as I do?

    In many states, including Kansas, Assault = threatening bodily harm. Battery = causing bodily harm. If this guy assaulted someone with his bare hands, as the article says, then he should be arrested, but it really isn't that big of a deal and it could have waited for on-duty police to show up. If he ran, he could be tracked down later since his bride was there, and it was a minor crime anyway. So if he was only accused of assault the off-duty officer arguably went to far by chasing him down and trying to arrest him. Still a good shoot, just could have been handled much better.

    However, if he was battering the cabbie as I suspect is actually the case, then physical intervention and immediate restraint is called for if possible, and so the officers actions are fully justified in my opinion.

    My point being... If you are going to report news in a particular state, take the time to learn the laws that apply to any legal terms you might frequently need to use.

    Of course in the case it's Kansas City this is all further complicated by the fact that what is called battery in Kansas is called Assault in Missouri. So this article may be correct, but it is very confusing if you don't also specify in which state the incident took place.

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    KANSAS CITY, Mo. ó (Editorís note: The video in this story is graphic, violent and profane. Viewer discretion is recommended.)
    From the op linked article.

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