Dave_pro2a
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Not very original as personal insults go. 4th grade level.
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Off-duty cop, OCing, shoots, kills firefighter.
- Thread starter deanf
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Not very original as personal insults go. 4th grade level.
Dave_pro2a
Regular Member
Ok.
There is not a police officer in America capable of actually honoring such an oath. They are required to break it on a daily basis to enforce unconstitutional laws.
But sis boom bah, for the 'Hero's in blue' http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2023001443_councilmeetingxml.html
Dave_pro2a
Regular Member
Ahh he complains about no reply, then he complains about an extra reply.
Excellent
Try a rebuttal instead if name calling. Maybe a rebuttal that doesn't involve blind patriotism.
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Primus
Regular Member
Really? And what unconstitutional laws do I enforce? Please do tell.
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OC for ME
Regular Member
GZ did what he had to do and most of us here supported his act. Officer Hubbard deserves no less consideration or support. Good shoot.
Get well soon Officer Hubbard and return to work soon[SUP]1[/SUP].
[SUP]1[/SUP] I know, Officer Hubbard likely won't read my post but it deserves to be stated again.
Get well soon Officer Hubbard and return to work soon[SUP]1[/SUP].
[SUP]1[/SUP] I know, Officer Hubbard likely won't read my post but it deserves to be stated again.
Don't waste your time. He purposely fails to distinguish between reasonable regulation and infringement. Ignorance suits him.
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Primus
Regular Member
DocWalker
Regular Member
I don't think as a bystander I could have just filmed, I would have had to assist the officer get the guy into custody. They can sort it out after that and see who was right and wrong.
1. The officer put himself in a bad spot without backup.
2. The firefighter appeared drunk and not thinking clear...(not an excuse just observation)
3. Film crew should have helped.
4. Any of the three could have prevented this from happening
Officer: keep space, taser, OC spray... we have a thing called verbal judo and use of force...shame it wasn't used.
Firefighter: not drink so much and comply and sue later.
Film crew: help the officer before it escalated.
No winners here
1. The officer put himself in a bad spot without backup.
2. The firefighter appeared drunk and not thinking clear...(not an excuse just observation)
3. Film crew should have helped.
4. Any of the three could have prevented this from happening
Officer: keep space, taser, OC spray... we have a thing called verbal judo and use of force...shame it wasn't used.
Firefighter: not drink so much and comply and sue later.
Film crew: help the officer before it escalated.
No winners here
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Dave_pro2a
Regular Member
Item one above implies it would have gone different if the Officer Hubbard had been on duty, versus working as a security guard. There likely would have been 2 officers on scene, and less lethal means could have been deployed.
DocWalker
Regular Member
An officer shouldn't forget his training just because he puts on a different uniform. Call your buddies on duty and let them deal with it....
Primus
Regular Member
? Why do say likely would have go e differently? It seemed pretty quick to me. So by the time back up would've arrived would've been over. Unless your referring to a two man cruiser as opposed to a one man unit?
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Trigger Dr
Regular Member
And most of it from those that have never done the job or could not qualify for the job.
Jeff Hayes
Regular Member
That is a pretty broad brush you are painting with.
Dave_pro2a
Regular Member
They do tend to look down their noses at the 'peons.'
gogodawgs
Campaign Veteran
Why should they have helped? Are they experts/trained at the deescalation of force? Was the film crew (how many?) physically larger than a policeman and a fireman?
While you (or I) may have been inclined to insert ourselves into an unsafe situation, the film crew was under no such inclination nor obligation to do so. If the film crew had intervened it does not prevent violence or death from occurring, as a matter of my opinion more could of been injured.
Jeff Hayes
Regular Member
My two cents worth, Officer Hubbard was off duty that is clear. What is not clear is who was the initial aggressor between Cop and firefighter? If the off duty Cop was the initial aggressor then he lost his right to self defense.
From the article
"Hubbard, who was working security for the Marriott while wearing his Police Department uniform, saw the group arguing and saw Anthony Bruno leaving the area. He headed east after him."
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2014/02/25/4848650/case-file-reveals-moments-before.html#storylink=cpy
If an argument is all Hubbard saw and Bruno was leaving the area I have to question why Hubbard reacted as harshly as he did. What Probable cause did he have for accosting Bruno? At this point I have to ask if the stop was lawful, if the stop was not lawful was Bruno simply defending himself, admittedly not he best idea with a uniformed officer.
"Bruno told Hubbard he shouldn’t have hit him, Hubbard said."
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2014/02/25/4848650/case-file-reveals-moments-before.html#storylink=cpy
I have to agree if all Hubbard saw was an argument he would not be justified in detaining
Bruno much less assaulting him.
I am sick to death of giving Cops the benefit of the doubt.
Jeff Hayes
Regular Member
Yes they do, most people could qualify to be LE if that was the path they had chosen. Most people choose to not go down that path for a lot of different reasons. Putting LE on a pedestal such as this is one of the largest problems we have today in LE IMHO.
I read he witnessed the battery, and pursued with intent to arrest.
I do not have a problem with that.