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    OC in Las Vegas

    Once a year, my wife and I make a "pilgrimage" to Las Vegas, both for business and fun. I have begun OCing up here in Oregon, and have been thinking about doing so when down in Vegas. I've gone to handgunlaw.us for the legal info. Looks like in NV loaded carry is allowed in your vehicle, right? And it seems OC is fine most everywhere except for a few exceptions?

    Now when it comes to Vegas itself, does it seem to be well-tolerated most places? How about on The Strip and in the casinos? Any places I need to be aware of beforehand that would turn me away for OCing?

    Thanks in advance.

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    OC is mostly uneventful here.

    Casinos will be one of the major exceptions. You can expect to be asked to leave most of the resorts. But the public sidewalks downtown (Fremont Street) and on the Strip are fine.

    Handguns can always be fully loaded at all times that they are in legal possession. And firearms can be anywhere in your vehicle, concealed or not, as long as not concealed on your actual person. Seats and seatbelts do not count for concealing an openly carried firearm.
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    I OC when I can when I visit Las Vegas. I make a quick exit from hotel room down elevator to nearest exit so that I don't have to walk through the casino to get to the street. If you act like there is no problem, then there won't be one. I then OC up and down the strip. Obviously not able to enter casinos.. But, most other places I've had no problem. Strip Burger is quite happy to have me in there OCing. Ive talked to the manager and it is a non-issue. And they have AWESOME food. I've also been into a Starbucks on the Strip close to StripBurger (Fashion Mall Area), with the young people more intrigued than offended, asking me questions about OC.

    Now... what I had been doing before, which I found out technically was probably illegal, was to keep gun unloaded, trigger locked, and in a small backpack with a small lock on it... walk from hotel room, through casino to a bathroom near an entrance, then go into a stall, load and holster my gun, then walk out the door... and when entering another casino, go to nearest bathroom (there always seems to be one at an entrance), unload, lock up, and bag, lock the bag... and repeat... To me, it meant it wasn't a concealed weapon, as it was unloaded, and locked to the point of being as useful as a rock... but apparently it is still considered a concealed weapon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Larson View Post
    Now... what I had been doing before, which I found out technically was probably illegal, was to keep gun unloaded, trigger locked, and in a small backpack with a small lock on it... walk from hotel room, through casino to a bathroom near an entrance, then go into a stall, load and holster my gun, then walk out the door... and when entering another casino, go to nearest bathroom (there always seems to be one at an entrance), unload, lock up, and bag, lock the bag... and repeat... To me, it meant it wasn't a concealed weapon, as it was unloaded, and locked to the point of being as useful as a rock... but apparently it is still considered a concealed weapon.
    Unfortunately, you are correct. You were technically illegally carrying a concealed weapon!

    NRS 202.3653  Definitions.  As used in NRS 202.3653 to 202.369, inclusive, unless the context otherwise requires:
    1.  “Concealed firearm” means a loaded or unloaded handgun which is carried upon a person in such a manner as not to be discernible by ordinary observation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by z28power View Post
    Unfortunately, you are correct. You were technically illegally carrying a concealed weapon!
    All well and good, but if I'm not mistaken he was not illegally carrying a gun. He was on private property and thereby only subject to trespass if he did not leave when directed to do so. Private property rule in this case is the question, not state law.

    Having a gun in a reservation casino is an entirely different matter - tread carefully there.

    Please if my understanding of applicable Nevada statutes is wrong, show me where.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    All well and good, but if I'm not mistaken he was not illegally carrying a gun. He was on private property and thereby only subject to trespass if he did not leave when directed to do so. Private property rule in this case is the question, not state law.

    Having a gun in a reservation casino is an entirely different matter - tread carefully there.

    Please if my understanding of applicable Nevada statutes is wrong, show me where.
    I did not say it was illegally carrying a gun, I said he was illegally carrying a CONCEALED weapon once he unloaded it and hid it in the backpack as he implied he does not have a CCW. NRS 202.3653 defines a concealed firearm as a firearm not discernible by ordinary observation. Loaded, or unloaded does not matter and is explicitly stated.

    You are correct that he could have open carried and been legal. He would have more than likely been asked to leave if open carrying in a casino, but then again, maybe not! I believe he was attempting to avoid being kicked out which is why he elected to conceal the handgun, however it was technically illegal. Just like I was technically illegal the moment I walked out of the gun store with my newly purchased handgun as I walked it to my car, then drove it home and put it in my gunsafe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    All well and good, but if I'm not mistaken he was not illegally carrying a gun. He was on private property and thereby only subject to trespass if he did not leave when directed to do so. Private property rule in this case is the question, not state law.

    Having a gun in a reservation casino is an entirely different matter - tread carefully there.

    Please if my understanding of applicable Nevada statutes is wrong, show me where.
    NV law treats Indian reservations as private property, in anything I have found on it yet. IOW, it is a trespassing issue, not a law being broken otherwise.

    There is no private property exception (or unloaded, disassembled, etc.) for carrying a concealed firearm in NV, either. Fortunately, we do have common sense enforcement for people transporting firearms in obvious situations, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    NV law treats Indian reservations as private property, in anything I have found on it yet. IOW, it is a trespassing issue, not a law being broken otherwise.

    There is no private property exception (or unloaded, disassembled, etc.) for carrying a concealed firearm in NV, either. Fortunately, we do have common sense enforcement for people transporting firearms in obvious situations, though.
    And some place on this forum I posted a letter from the chief of the tribe up around Valley of Fire. In that case he granted that we had law full carry on that land, but should obey all laws.

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    How does that work if you have a secured weapon in a gun case? It is concealed but secured because all they can see is the case that one might carry....such as his backpack.

    Don't flame me just a question as I travel to LV and don't carry if I'm going to drink but do when I travel. I secure my weapon and my wifes in a locked gun safe (small portable) and then secure it in my room safe. When I leave I arm up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocWalker View Post
    How does that work if you have a secured weapon in a gun case? It is concealed but secured because all they can see is the case that one might carry....such as his backpack...
    If you are transporting it in such a fashion, and manage to get caught with it, I've NEVER heard of them doing anything about it.

    But if you were breaking a law while on a public sidewalk, and they bust you and also find a pistol in your briefcase, they will then use the law against you.

    Just for the record, we now recognize Idaho's Enhanced Permit for concealed carry; if you happen to have one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mac702 View Post


    just for the record, we now recognize idaho's enhanced permit for concealed carry; if you happen to have one.
    whoo hoooo...yeaa and pass the ammunition.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocWalker View Post
    How does that work if you have a secured weapon in a gun case? It is concealed but secured because all they can see is the case that one might carry....such as his backpack.

    Don't flame me just a question as I travel to LV and don't carry if I'm going to drink but do when I travel. I secure my weapon and my wifes in a locked gun safe (small portable) and then secure it in my room safe. When I leave I arm up.
    There was an opinion from a previous NV AG that a firearm carried in any container, and therefor "not discernible by ordinary observation," is being carried on your person concealed and is a felony unless you have a valid permit.

    And, OH, if you choose to it is perfectly legal to have a drink while carrying your firearm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyKen View Post
    There was an opinion from a previous NV AG that a firearm carried in any container, and therefor "not discernible by ordinary observation," is being carried on your person concealed and is a felony unless you have a valid permit.

    And, OH, if you choose to it is perfectly legal to have a drink while carrying your firearm.

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    Must suck to be the person delivering firearms...those felonious bastitches :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernymac View Post
    Must suck to be the person delivering firearms...those felonious bastitches :P
    Yep and try to transport one on a flight out or into LAS (Airport code). A locked case is required to transport one on your flight.

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    It would not be illegal to carry a backpack that partially obscured the gun while in the hotel area, or put your strong side arm around someones girlfriend, and hold her tight until you get out of the hotel. There are many ways to be low key and still not be "CONCEALING IT ON YOUR PERSON."

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    Quote Originally Posted by DON`T TREAD ON ME View Post
    It would not be illegal to carry a backpack that partially obscured the gun while in the hotel area, or put your strong side arm around someones girlfriend, and hold her tight until you get out of the hotel. There are many ways to be low key and still not be "CONCEALING IT ON YOUR PERSON."
    What if it was someone else's girlfriend? Is that still ok?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    NV law treats Indian reservations as private property, in anything I have found on it yet. IOW, it is a trespassing issue, not a law being broken otherwise.

    There is no private property exception (or unloaded, disassembled, etc.) for carrying a concealed firearm in NV, either. Fortunately, we do have common sense enforcement for people transporting firearms in obvious situations, though.
    Exactly right!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Larson View Post
    What if it was someone else's girlfriend? Is that still ok?
    I do not have a citation stating it is OK, so I will stick with "It's worth a shot!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Larson View Post
    What if it was someone else's girlfriend? Is that still ok?
    It might just depend on the girlfriend, or in some cases if the the wife was watching.

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