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    thought DESPP was not going to answer AW gun definition queries? here's on 2-25-14

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    I disagree with the decision as the gun is not capable of discharging a 410 shell unless one has one ... otherwise 45 LC is good to go

    But they refused to ask people about the law and their guns???!!

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    All I can say is ...here we go...

    This guy is typical of the "I was just following orders crowd". I love (not) that this guy hides behind SCOTUS...* he will enforce all laws until SCOTUS deems it unconstitutional * So if the whack jobs in the Connecticut legislature pass a law saying he will kill all the first born of any gun owner until they comply with registration/destruction/out state storage/sale to FFL, he's OK with his underlings doing so until it is struck down (hopefully) by SCOTUS - potentially years later! WTF!

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
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    I disagree with the decision as the gun is not capable of discharging a 410 shell unless one has one ... otherwise 45 LC is good to go

    But they refused to ask people about the law and their guns???!!
    IANAL, but as I understand the it, to be a shotgun it must have a smooth bore. Since the Circuit Judge has a rifled bore, it is a rifle, not a shotgun, regardless of the shape or size of the projectile or projectiles. Otherwise, a .38 Special revolver loaded with CCI shotshells (or any Judge) would be a short barreled shotgun, and that ain't so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skinnedknuckles View Post
    IANAL, but as I understand the it, to be a shotgun it must have a smooth bore. Since the Circuit Judge has a rifled bore, it is a rifle, not a shotgun, regardless of the shape or size of the projectile or projectiles. Otherwise, a .38 Special revolver loaded with CCI shotshells (or any Judge) would be a short barreled shotgun, and that ain't so.
    http://www.atf.gov/content/firearms/...nition-shotgun

    Gun Control Act Definitions
    Shotgun

    18 U.S.C., § 921(A)(5) and 27 CFR § 478.11

    The term “Shotgun” means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder, and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed shotgun shell to fire through a smooth bore either a number of ball shot or a single projectile for each single pull of the trigger.


    Looks like if it can shoot a shotgun shelled projectile(s), its a shotgun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    http://www.atf.gov/content/firearms/...nition-shotgun

    Gun Control Act Definitions
    Shotgun

    18 U.S.C., § 921(A)(5) and 27 CFR § 478.11

    The term “Shotgun” means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder, and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed shotgun shell to fire through a smooth bore either a number of ball shot or a single projectile for each single pull of the trigger.


    Looks like if it can shoot a shotgun shelled projectile(s), its a shotgun.
    You should read the rest of what you quoted, carefully. Among other things, a shotgun is "made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed shotgun shell to fire through a smooth bore" so, if the firearm in question has a rifled bore, it is not a shotgun. QED
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustaShooter View Post
    You should read the rest of what you quoted, carefully. Among other things, a shotgun is "made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed shotgun shell to fire through a smooth bore" so, if the firearm in question has a rifled bore, it is not a shotgun. QED
    hmmm.. you may be right ... just differentiating between shot and wad cutters ....

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    ...a shotgun is "made" or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed shotgun shell...
    Not that the term "shotgun shell" actually "means" anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Not that the term "shotgun shell" actually "means" anything.
    You mean that you do not understand what a shotgun shell is? I think its common knowledge. Not everything is defined in laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    http://i.imgur.com/xAeZ19n.jpg

    I disagree with the decision as the gun is not capable of discharging a 410 shell unless one has one ... otherwise 45 LC is good to go

    But they refused to ask people about the law and their guns???!!
    This is so sad ... Connecticut has apparently been forced to write its laws on various statues located around the state. The attached letter from the Captain references several different statues that define what guns are considered illegal. /sarcasm

    SMH! It is amazing to me that a senior ranking LEO in Connecticut does not know the difference between a statue and a statute in an official letter.....
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