Results 1 to 15 of 15

Thread: Self defense shooter goes free, another criminal rightfully shot.

  1. #1
    Regular Member jsanchez's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    seattle
    Posts
    503

    Self defense shooter goes free, another criminal rightfully shot.

    I know there was a thread earlier on this, couldn't find it, here's the latest.

    http://www.columbian.com/news/2014/m...o-killed-teen/

  2. #2
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    East Wenatchee, Washington, USA
    Posts
    132
    Thanks for posting this. Every couple months I've been checking for an update on this case since it all went down last year.

  3. #3
    Regular Member Grim_Night's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Pierce County, Washington
    Posts
    792
    “This has had a very damaging impact on his life,” Doucette’s attorney, Steven Thayer, said Wednesday. “He had to go to considerable expense to defend himself and to redeem himself, and essentially, he had to prove his innocence, which he has done.”
    This part irritates me to no end. Since when is the defendant in a criminal case required to prove their innocence? Does "innocent untill proven guilty" mean nothing anymore? Last I checked, it was the prosecution's job to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. The defense is not required to prove a damn thing. I have actually had judges say the same thing while I was in court for jury duty.
    Last edited by Grim_Night; 03-16-2014 at 08:13 PM.
    Armed and annoyingly well informed!

    There are two constants when dealing with liberals:
    1) Liberals never quit until they are satisfied.
    2) Liberals are never satisfied.

  4. #4
    Regular Member 509rifas's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Yakima County
    Posts
    253
    Quote Originally Posted by Grim_Night View Post
    This part irritates me to no end. Since when is the defendant in a criminal case required to prove their innocence? Does "innocent untill proven guilty" mean nothing anymore? Last I checked, it was the prosecution's job to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. The defense is not required to prove a damn thing. I have actually had judges say the same thing while I was in court for jury duty.
    It also says he was charged because the first witness statement said they had seperated and was walking away, and when the witness changed the story, charges were dropped. Doesn't seem unreasonable, except for Murder 2 charge instead of something more fitting for the circumstance like Manslaughter 2.
    LIVE FREE OR DIE TRYING

  5. #5
    Regular Member HPmatt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Dallas
    Posts
    1,597
    So what was going on with the witness' statements?
    Guess the deceased was part of gypsy heritage but not mentioned in the PC newspaper article?
    “Men live without other security than what their own strength and their own invention shall furnish them"
    -Thomas Hobbes 1651

  6. #6
    Regular Member Alpine's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Mercer Island
    Posts
    661
    We need to get http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9A.16.110 amended to include legal costs associated with defending against charges or actions against accused if they get dropped prior to trial. People can go broke prior to trial and if charges are dropped it might have cost a lot to get them dropped.

    Call up and write your reps and sens to get that RCW amended!

  7. #7
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Tacoma, Washington, USA
    Posts
    1,327
    Those who are complaining about the "proving his innocence" remark, did you read the article? There was absolutely no doubt that Doucette shot the man who attacked him! A party who claims self-defense (which it rightly was, in this case) necessarily implies an acknowledgement that he or she did use force against another person.

    You cannot go to court and say "I did not shoot that man, and besides it was in self-defense."

  8. #8
    Regular Member 509rifas's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Yakima County
    Posts
    253
    Quote Originally Posted by kparker View Post
    Those who are complaining about the "proving his innocence" remark, did you read the article? There was absolutely no doubt that Doucette shot the man who attacked him! A party who claims self-defense (which it rightly was, in this case) necessarily implies an acknowledgement that he or she did use force against another person.

    You cannot go to court and say "I did not shoot that man, and besides it was in self-defense."
    Right, that's the thing with affirmative defenses. There still is the presumption of innocence even with an affirmative defense though. And when the witness says you shot a guy while he was walking away (I'm interested to know where the wounds were) you can expect to incur some legal costs.

    I agree that the law ought be amended from just covering costs if found not guilty to include dropped charges, with the same or similar type checklist thingy.
    LIVE FREE OR DIE TRYING

  9. #9
    Regular Member Geerolla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    WA, USA
    Posts
    118
    Shouldn't the witness have to cover court costs since her dumb ass caused this?


    Sent from my UAV using Disposition Matrix 2.0

  10. #10
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    earth's crust
    Posts
    17,838
    Quote Originally Posted by Geerolla View Post
    Shouldn't the witness have to cover court costs since her dumb ass caused this?


    Sent from my UAV using Disposition Matrix 2.0
    Witnesses are immune from civil judgments, unless its perjury.

  11. #11
    Regular Member 509rifas's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Yakima County
    Posts
    253
    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Witnesses are immune from civil judgments, unless its perjury.
    I'm wondering if that's the case, since there were two distinct, very different versions given.
    LIVE FREE OR DIE TRYING

  12. #12
    Regular Member Baked on Grease's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Sterling, Va.
    Posts
    652
    Quote Originally Posted by 509rifas View Post
    I'm wondering if that's the case, since there were two distinct, very different versions given.
    I wonder if bearing false witness or falsifying a police report/ lying to officers could contribute to that case.
    "A Right Un-exercised is a Right Lost"

    "According to the law, [openly carrying] in a vehicle is against the law if the weapon is concealed" -Flamethrower (think about it....)

    Carrying an XDm 9mm with Hornady Critical Defense hollowpoint. Soon to be carrying a Ruger along with it....

  13. #13
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    earth's crust
    Posts
    17,838
    Doucette never made a statement to police...from article.


    Finally a guy with some brains ...

  14. #14
    Regular Member Geerolla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    WA, USA
    Posts
    118
    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Witnesses are immune from civil judgments, unless its perjury.
    Obviously, except...

    Quote Originally Posted by Baked on Grease View Post
    I wonder if bearing false witness or falsifying a police report/ lying to officers could contribute to that case.
    Ding ding ding. There should be some kind of consequence.


    Sent from my UAV using Disposition Matrix 2.0

  15. #15
    Regular Member sudden valley gunner's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Whatcom County
    Posts
    17,338
    Quote Originally Posted by Geerolla View Post
    Obviously, except...



    Ding ding ding. There should be some kind of consequence.


    Sent from my UAV using Disposition Matrix 2.0
    Testilying.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •