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    Putin loves democracy -- Crimea independent nation

    http://www.courant.com/news/breaking...,6028305.story


    MOSCOW (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin signed a decree on Monday recognizing Crimea as a sovereign state after the Ukrainian region declared itself independent and applied to join Russia following a weekend referendum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    http://www.courant.com/news/breaking...,6028305.story


    MOSCOW (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin signed a decree on Monday recognizing Crimea as a sovereign state after the Ukrainian region declared itself independent and applied to join Russia following a weekend referendum.
    Hell of a quick vote....with a strong military presence....no way that could have influenced the "vote."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToMang07 View Post
    Hell of a quick vote....with a strong military presence....no way that could have influenced the "vote."
    97% in favor !

    Nothing passes 97% folks ... n-o-t-h-i-n-g

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    97% in favor !

    Nothing passes 97% folks ... n-o-t-h-i-n-g
    Hey I thought 3% made the difference......
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    The vote was in violation of the Ukrainian Constitution. Democratic, but uncontitutional.

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    Much how the "founders" vote was against their present constitution?
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    I think a lot of americans need to research this a little. Ukraine is a very young country, only 20 or so years. Crimea is the russian area of ukraine. The majority of people there are russian, speak russian and have family in russia. Ukraine was doomed to fail from the get go. .

    I do believe the former president was corrupt but there is still a process to remove him from office, instead armed protestors essentially ran him out of the country. That doesnt sound very democratic to me. Who is the US supporting there? do we really even know? Sounds a lot like libya. anyway, crimeas see russia as hope for the future. Being a russian citizen entitles them to a lot more rights, respect and opportunities than being a citizen of a broke, in debt country like ukraine. Now was there some russian influence, yeah im sure but i think irregardless of russian troops on the ground, crimeans know that ukraine was collapsing as the evidence of the country's true debt became apparent. Plus Crimea is home to Russia's only warm water naval base so they moved to protect it just as the US would. I mean let's think, they have a huge naval base in crimea! why would they not protect it?

    Did russia get involved when alaska voted to become a state? no....


    obama played his cards waaayyy to early on this by announcing there would be "costs" but didnt specify what actions would draw those costs or what the costs would be. You'll impose sanctions? ok so will putin. You freeze russian assets, he freezes US assets. Where do a lot of these countries get their bank guarantees and loans?... Russia. where do you think most of europe and eastern europe get their natural gas and other resources from? oh wait.... russia.

    We have zero power, control or right to be in this situation in my humble opinion. Yes, it strengthens russia but if obama was worried about that why did he not keep the european missile defense shield plans in progress instead of being caught on an open mike whispering to a russian representative "ill have more flexibility with the missile shield after im re-elected" Then, sure enough, as soon as he is re-elected, he cancels the missile shield.

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    What russia gets how much land? 100 by 100 miles roughly? About like Idaho, slightly larger...

    Russia has 6.6 million sq miles ...

    Obamalama will do nothing. Should not be spouting off the mouth unless you would ...

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    Too bad they don't realize a stateless society is the best society.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Too bad they don't realize a stateless society is the best society.
    Oh.... that's why we see so many of them prospering? Now I get it.... :-)

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    See no valid connection to OC or RKBA.
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