Cool tool for Kidnapping victims

Freedom1Man · Mar 26, 2014

This device is to be used only in accordance with local, state, and federal laws.

It is intended to counteract hostage detainment, kidnapping, and other forms of illegal restraint.

Something to think about for those who have been kidnapped before or whom might be kidnapped.

Fallschirjmäger · Mar 26, 2014

One teensie, tiny problem with it....
It only works with someone who's either not familiar with handcuffs or hasn't spent any time in custodial custody. Modern hand cuffing technique is to do it 'palms forward (outward) and with the keyhole up'. You could hand someone a full size handcuff key and only the most agile and adroit expert could manage to uncuff himself.

What the store shows; palms together, keyhole down. No one familiar with handcuffs will be doing this.

Freedom1Man · Mar 26, 2014

Fallschirmjäger said:
One teensie, tiny problem with it....
With modern cuffing techniques you could be given a full size handcuff key and only the most agile and adroit expert could manage to uncuff himself. The modern palms in, key up technique does wonders for reducing the ability to access the keyhole.

That is why you should train, train, train. Find someone you trust to lock you up and practice getting out.

Aknazer · Mar 26, 2014

Pity they want $10 for it. I've seen almost this exact same thing (only difference being the one I've seen has two small holes in the key in order to sew it on like a button) for less than half that. On the bright side at least this site sells to everyone and not just military/security professionals/LE. For those that qualify (yes, yes, make your comments about the "privileged few" that I'm sure some people will make) the site for it is below. You will have to verify who you are before being able to buy it and a few other items.

http://serepick.com/products/index.html

marshaul · Mar 26, 2014

Fallschirmjäger said:
...custodial custody.

Is that, like, when cops assign the janitor to watch you?

WalkingWolf · Mar 26, 2014

The only bad guys that use handcuffs are wearing badges, don't think that counts as kidnapping. Duct tape is the restraint device of choice for kidnappers. I suggest a dose of lead poisoning is what potential kidnap victims should carry instead, and a small pocket knife to cut the duct tape if too squeamish for carrying a gun.

Of course taping one of these keys to your arse might be a good idea if you do not trust your playmate with handcuffs.

Aknazer · Mar 26, 2014

Fallschirmjäger said:
One teensie, tiny problem with it....
It only works with someone who's either not familiar with handcuffs or hasn't spent any time in custodial custody. Modern hand cuffing technique is to do it 'palms forward (outward) and with the keyhole up'. You could hand someone a full size handcuff key and only the most agile and adroit expert could manage to uncuff himself.

What the store shows; palms together, keyhole down. No one familiar with handcuffs will be doing this.

The chain ones still aren't overly hard to escape from because of the range of motion they allow you to have. The bigger issue is if they're hinged given how you can't rotate your arms/wrists in them. One can also shim them open, but some cuffs use a multiple teeth design (as in, there's multiple layered plates making up the internal teeth and you have to catch all layers to shim it open) to try and prevent this.

Though as pointed out, pretty much only those with badges have handcuffs. Some type of small cutting tool (knife, specialty razor, etc) would be better for standard criminal restraints.

Freedom1Man · Mar 26, 2014

Aknazer said:
The chain ones still aren't overly hard to escape from because of the range of motion they allow you to have. The bigger issue is if they're hinged given how you can't rotate your arms/wrists in them. One can also shim them open, but some cuffs use a multiple teeth design (as in, there's multiple layered plates making up the internal teeth and you have to catch all layers to shim it open) to try and prevent this.

Though as pointed out, pretty much only those with badges have handcuffs. Some type of small cutting tool (knife, specialty razor, etc) would be better for standard criminal restraints.

Hinged cuffs HURT.

Primus · Mar 26, 2014

Freedom1Man said:
Hinged cuffs HURT.

Lol

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sudden valley gunner · Mar 26, 2014

Primus said:
Lol

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Proof cops are sadists!

sudden valley gunner · Mar 26, 2014

marshaul said:
Is that, like, when cops assign the janitor to watch you?

Other than janitors don't kill people and provide a great public service is there a difference?

WalkingWolf · Mar 26, 2014

sudden valley gunner said:
Proof cops are sadists!

Yea I was surprised he posted that. I thought about responding but he would just claim we are picking on him again.

marshaul · Mar 26, 2014

WalkingWolf said:
Yea I was surprised he posted that. I thought about responding but he would just claim we are picking on him again.

lol, yessir. I the same thought process.

davidmcbeth · Mar 26, 2014

Freedom1Man said:
Hinged cuffs HURT.

I have cuffed more people than I have been cuffed.

I have cuff keys with me ... never had to use them. Except to release people that I have cuffed.

(no not for sexual pleasure reasons you gutter minds

)

I've had my S&W cuffs for years..even just pulling them out makes people think twice about their behavior.

Primus · Mar 26, 2014

sudden valley gunner said:
Proof cops are sadists!

Negative my friend. I do not represent anyone else but me myself and I. If I happen to find it funny that he said thing cuffs hurt (they do) then that's just my opinion.

No different then saying contractors are all pro 2a. Or all contractors are anti government (or to a degree at least) etc. Etc. Etc.

But I think you may have been joking since you also put a smiley face. Not sure others got the jokes from all the upsettedness (made up word) going on.

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stealthyeliminator · Mar 26, 2014

davidmcbeth said:
I have cuffed more people than I have been cuffed.

I have cuff keys with me ... never had to use them. Except to release people that I have cuffed.

(no not for sexual pleasure reasons you gutter minds )

I've had my S&W cuffs for years..even just pulling them out makes people think twice about their behavior.

Sounds illegal to me

sudden valley gunner · Mar 27, 2014

Primus said:
Negative my friend. I do not represent anyone else but me myself and I. If I happen to find it funny that he said thing cuffs hurt (they do) then that's just my opinion.

No different then saying contractors are all pro 2a. Or all contractors are anti government (or to a degree at least) etc. Etc. Etc.

But I think you may have been joking since you also put a smiley face. Not sure others got the jokes from all the upsettedness (made up word) going on.

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A semi joke.

Whether people want to believe it or not a certain type of personality becomes a certain type of cop. Your words showed you fit into the stereotype, while at the same time you want to deny the stereotype.

And yes many contractors are against an overbearing intrusive government. Stereotypes are not always wrong even if they don't necessarily reflect every individual.

marshaul · Mar 27, 2014

sudden valley gunner said:
A semi joke.

Whether people want to believe it or not a certain type of personality becomes a certain type of cop. Your words showed you fit into the stereotype, while at the same time you want to deny the stereotype.

And yes many contractors are against an overbearing intrusive government. Stereotypes are not always wrong even if they don't necessarily reflect every individual.

Yup. I for one was only half-serious. But at the same time, if the shoe fits...

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

sudden valley gunner · Mar 27, 2014

marshaul said:
Yup. I for one was only half-serious. But at the same time, if the shoe fits...

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

+1 His reply only confirmed the post.

WalkingWolf · Mar 27, 2014

sudden valley gunner said:
+1 His reply only confirmed the post.

His post only confirmed the feeling I had from the beginning, that police work for him is a power rush thang. IOW having power to make others submissive to his perceived authority. I was surprised to see him admit a sadistic side as well. While not all police are like this, some become, or want to become police for this reason.

The problem with LE today is that those with that mentality are not only accepted but patted on the back.

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