Waterfront Park

travis1911 · Mar 27, 2014

Has anyone else heard about the attacks at waterfront park? Had these folks been exercising their 2A rights do you think the results would've been any different? How well does a single armed citizen stack up to a mob of 20+?

This just adds to the many reasons why I stay south of the Gene Snyder as often as possible.

Here's a link to just one of the many stories.
http://www.wave3.com/story/25061909/safety-at-waterfront-park

KRM59 · Mar 27, 2014

I was there Sunday the day after all the mayhem. At the time I decided to go check out the big four Bridge I had not heard about what had occurred the night before. As to the question of one armed Citizen vs a Mob, one never knows the final outcome to such a scenario. I would offer a speculative guess, If one would have used a gun in aid of the assaulted party at the Bridge it could have dispersed the mob in a quick manor or could have started a gun fight. We know at least one had a gun, speaking only for myself I would find it hard to stand and watch an innocent Person being assaulted in front of their family. But until faced with this scenario I do not know exactly how I would react.

self preservation · Mar 27, 2014

travis1911 said:
Has anyone else heard about the attacks at waterfront park? Had these folks been exercising their 2A rights do you think the results would've been any different? How well does a single armed citizen stack up to a mob of 20+?

This just adds to the many reasons why I stay south of the Gene Snyder as often as possible.

Here's a link to just one of the many stories.
http://www.wave3.com/story/25061909/safety-at-waterfront-park

I'm no expert and it could go either way, but I would drop as many as I could in hopes that the others would scatter. You probably couldn't shoot them all, but you could get a few.

bigdodge25 · Mar 27, 2014

What I don't understand is how 2 dozen cameras are going to do anything to stop the madness. Criminals rob places every day with cameras and does that stop them, Heck no. only thing that has ever turned a criminal around is a law abiding citizen with a firearm

As stated above if the victim was carrying it probably would have turned out better but could have started a gun fight. No one knows though. Also an eye opener as to why you need to carry extra mags.

BB62 · Mar 27, 2014

travis1911 said:
Has anyone else heard about the attacks at waterfront park? Had these folks been exercising their 2A rights do you think the results would've been any different? How well does a single armed citizen stack up to a mob of 20+?

This just adds to the many reasons why I stay south of the Gene Snyder as often as possible.

Here's a link to just one of the many stories.
http://www.wave3.com/story/25061909/safety-at-waterfront-park

Is there a media blackout on this kind of stuff, or are people just oblivious?

self preservation · Mar 27, 2014

None of us can predict the future. But if I'm getting beat by 20+ people, I'm going to assume that their plan is to kill me. So if I fire the first shot and one of them fires back on me, dead is dead. Just because one of the thugs had a gun doesn't necessarily mean that he was willing to use it. I assume that most people that carry (LAC's & thugs) have the mindset that they will use their firearm if need be. But how many times have we seen "crunch time" arrive and people freeze up?

Primus · Mar 27, 2014

self preservation said:
I'm no expert and it could go either way, but I would drop as many as I could in hopes that the others would scatter. You probably couldn't shoot them all, but you could get a few.

? Really

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Primus · Mar 27, 2014

self preservation said:
None of us can predict the future. But if I'm getting beat by 20+ people, I'm going to assume that their plan is to kill me. So if I fire the first shot and one of them fires back on me, dead is dead. Just because one of the thugs had a gun doesn't necessarily mean that he was willing to use it. I assume that most people that carry (LAC's & thugs) have the mindset that they will use their firearm if need be. But how many times have we seen "crunch time" arrive and people freeze up?

Ok now I get it. I apologize. I thought you meant just "dropping" people who were mobbing or fighting other people not you. This makes sense.

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KRM59 · Mar 28, 2014

weird question

since the bridge is blocked off at the Indiana side is the whole span considered Kentucky? therefore oc legal. Or is there some point on the bridge that it turns to Indiana jurisdiction?

self preservation · Mar 29, 2014

Primus said:
Ok now I get it. I apologize. I thought you meant just "dropping" people who were mobbing or fighting other people not you. This makes sense.

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That does bring up an interesting point. Surly you would intervene if you saw an innocent person about to be killed or seriously injured by another person. After all, KRS 503.070 does state "The use of deadly physical force by a defendant upon another person is justifiable when: (a) The defendant believes that such force is necessary to protect a third person against imminent death, serious physical injury, kidnapping,sexual intercourse compelled by force or threat, or other felony involving the use of force, or under those circumstances permitted pursuant to KRS 503.055"

But what would you do if instead of the victim having one or two attackers, they instead had 50 to 100 attackers?

self preservation · Mar 29, 2014

gutshot said:
Bob Hill, well know Louisville naturalist, author and businessman, has organized a walk across the Big Four Bridge on Sunday, March 30 at 1 pm. His stated purpose is to show community support for the "popular span". Louisville Mayor, Greg Fischer, has committed to participating in the walk. This would be an excellent OC opportunity. Not only would you demonstrate that OC is legal, but that it is wise to do so, in light of the recent events. As an extra bonus, you also would have the opportunity to really irritate two outspoken proponents of gun control and those that are attracted to their events. The real, positive aspect is that if you were illegally arrested, you would only have to spend one night in jail; quite a selling point. This might be the only time I could visit downtown Louisville and feel safe.

Once again I must confess my ignorance.........what is "popular span"?

BB62 · Mar 29, 2014

KRM59 said:
since the bridge is blocked off at the Indiana side is the whole span considered Kentucky? therefore oc legal. Or is there some point on the bridge that it turns to Indiana jurisdiction?

So it's a walking bridge to nowhere?

Hmmm...

At least on Cincinnati's Purple People Bridge you can go all the way across: http://purplepeoplebridge.com/

BB62 · Mar 29, 2014

gutshot said:
...This might be the only time I could visit downtown Louisville and feel safe.

Okay, so who's going?

BB62 · Mar 29, 2014

gutshot said:
...This might be the only time I could visit downtown Louisville and feel safe.

BB62 said:
Okay, so who's going?

Well, I was thinking about coming, but since it appears no one else is, I guess I won't!

Rusty Young Man · Mar 29, 2014

BB62 said:
Well, I was thinking about coming, but since it appears no one else is, I guess I won't!

No reason not to go.
You'll have the opportunity to desensitize A LOT of people, especially if you have the wife and kids in tow.

Rusty Young Man · Mar 29, 2014

self preservation said:
That does bring up an interesting point. Surly you would intervene if you saw an innocent person about to be killed or seriously injured by another person. After all, KRS 503.070 does state "The use of deadly physical force by a defendant upon another person is justifiable when: (a) The defendant believes that such force is necessary to protect a third person against imminent death, serious physical injury, kidnapping,sexual intercourse compelled by force or threat, or other felony involving the use of force, or under those circumstances permitted pursuant to KRS 503.055"

But what would you do if instead of the victim having one or two attackers, they instead had 50 to 100 attackers?

My underlining for emphasis.

You mean a riot not unlike what occurred in L.A.?

I'll go ahead and answer. Depending on the circumstances, the person may or may not be worth the effort:

If it is a known anti being mobbed, I would chalk it up as karma.
If it was a Freedom-loving individual or a child (just about the only innocent human beings on this planet), then an effort must be made, and hopefully you remembered carried extra magazines.

BB62 · Mar 29, 2014

gutshot said:
...This might be the only time I could visit downtown Louisville and feel safe.

BB62 said:
Okay, so who's going?

Well, I was thinking about coming, but since it appears no one else is, I guess I won't!

Rusty Young Man said:
No reason not to go.
You'll have the opportunity to desensitize A LOT of people, especially if you have the wife and kids in tow.

If I lived near Louisville, instead of 110 miles away, I would go, but when it seems there's no local interest, well...

Rusty Young Man · Mar 29, 2014

BB62 said:
SNIP...If I lived near Louisville, instead of 110 miles away, I would go, but when it seems there's no local interest, well...

*Says while looking down at boots, embarrassed*: Didn't see your state of residence when I posted that. My bad.

Grapeshot · Apr 4, 2014

KRM59 said:
since the bridge is blocked off at the Indiana side is the whole span considered Kentucky? therefore oc legal. Or is there some point on the bridge that it turns to Indiana jurisdiction?

Whether bridge, road, sidewalk, parking lot, or railroad track, when you cross the line you are somewhere else

Blocking one end doesn't alter where you are or who is in control.

bunnspecial · Apr 4, 2014

The Indiana-Kentucky state line is located at the northern low water mark of the Ohio River as it was in 1792.

http://www.nytimes.com/1981/10/21/us/kentucky-indiana-and-ohio-end-river-boundary-dispute.html

If we assume that the borders as drawn on Google Earth are accurate, the entirety of the Big Four span(not including the Indiana side ramp, which is not yet open) looks to me to be within Kentucky.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/L...2!3m1!1s0x88690b1ab35bd511:0xd4d3b4282071fd32

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