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    Hornady goes at Feinstein

    Hornady (the ammo reloading company) is asking all of us to help stop the Feinstein ban on imported firearms. They are asking us to do our part by contacting our (2) US Senators using a pre-written form letter asking your Senators to oppose the ban. It's that simple. Use the link provided below.



    [URL="http://www.hornady.com/in-the-news/political-action"]http://www.hornady.com/in-the-news/political-action

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodnickel View Post
    Hornady (the ammo reloading company) is asking all of us to help stop the Feinstein ban on imported firearms. They are asking us to do our part by contacting our (2) US Senators using a pre-written form letter asking your Senators to oppose the ban. It's that simple. Use the link provided below.



    www.hornady.com/in-the-news/political-action
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    And I even expect my one RINO Senator to support this one!
    RIGHTS don't exist without RESPONSIBILITY!
    If one is not willing to stand for his rights, he doesn't have any Rights.
    I will strive to stand for the rights of ANY person, even those folks with whom I disagree!
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    Why RINO? That's what republicans do. Big government and the thrashing of the constitution is what they were founded upon.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Why RINO? That's what republicans do. Big government and the thrashing of the constitution is what they were founded upon.
    One of my senators is a real tea party type and has not voted RINO since his election......the other seems unable to not vote that way for many of the last 30+ years,except just long enough just prior to elections so he keeps being elected by the less-informed voters!
    RIGHTS don't exist without RESPONSIBILITY!
    If one is not willing to stand for his rights, he doesn't have any Rights.
    I will strive to stand for the rights of ANY person, even those folks with whom I disagree!
    As said by SVG--- "I am not anti-COP, I am PRO-Citizen" and I'll add, PRO-Constitution.
    If the above makes me a RADICAL or EXTREME--- So be it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeSparky View Post
    the other seems unable to not vote that way for many of the last 30+ years,except just long enough just prior to elections so he keeps being elected by the less-informed voters!
    This part irritates the hell out of me. There really needs to be term limits for ALL elected officials...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grim_Night View Post
    This part irritates the hell out of me. There really needs to be term limits for ALL elected officials...
    We already do! It is called an ELECTION!
    RIGHTS don't exist without RESPONSIBILITY!
    If one is not willing to stand for his rights, he doesn't have any Rights.
    I will strive to stand for the rights of ANY person, even those folks with whom I disagree!
    As said by SVG--- "I am not anti-COP, I am PRO-Citizen" and I'll add, PRO-Constitution.
    If the above makes me a RADICAL or EXTREME--- So be it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeSparky View Post
    We already do! It is called an ELECTION!
    Oh that's a good one, I like it!
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grim_Night View Post
    SNIP...There really needs to be term limits for ALL elected officials...
    Quote Originally Posted by JoeSparky View Post
    We already do! It is called an ELECTION!
    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Oh that's a good one, I like it!
    This is one of those times I wish we had a crying-while-laughing emoticon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeSparky View Post
    We already do! It is called an ELECTION!
    Federal level:

    President: Limited to being elected to a total of 2 four-year terms (except that a president who has already completed more than two years of an unfinished term may be elected in his own right only once)

    Vice President: Unlimited four-year terms

    House of Representatives: Unlimited two-year terms

    Senate: Unlimited six-year terms

    Supreme Court: No term limits, appointed to serve "during good behavior" (but can be impeached and removed from office for "high Crimes and Misdemeanors"); in practice a Justice serves until death or stepping down (by retirement or resignation) (My note: This also needs to be an elected office)

    State legislatures with term limits

    The following 15 legislatures have term limits:

    Arizona Legislature:
    four consecutive two-year terms for both houses (eight years). No limit on total number of terms.

    Arkansas General Assembly: three two-year terms for House members (six years) and two four-year terms for Senate members (eight years).

    California State Legislature: twelve years total in either Assembly or Senate. (For legislators first elected on or before June 5, 2012, the previous limits of either three two-year terms for Assembly members (six years) and two four-year terms for Senate members (eight years) apply).

    Colorado General Assembly:
    four consecutive two-year terms in the House (eight years) and two consecutive four-year terms in the Senate (eight years).

    Florida Legislature: may serve no more than eight years in either house.

    Louisiana State Legislature: three four-year terms for both houses (twelve years).

    Maine Legislature: four two-year terms for both houses (eight years).

    Michigan Legislature: three two-year terms for House members (six years) and two four-year terms for Senate members (eight years).

    Missouri General Assembly: four consecutive two-year terms for House members (eight years) and two four-year consecutive terms for Senate members (eight years). Members may be elected again to the other house, but not serve more than 16 years.

    Montana State Legislature: four two-year terms for House members (eight years) in any sixteen-year period and two four-year terms for Senate members (eight years) in any sixteen-year period.

    Nebraska Legislature: two four-year terms (eight years).

    Nevada Legislature: six two-year terms for Assembly members (twelve years) and three four-year terms for Senate members (twelve years).

    Ohio General Assembly: four consecutive two-year terms for House members (eight years) and two consecutive four-year terms for Senate members (eight years).

    Oklahoma Legislature: six two-year terms for House members (twelve years) and three four-year terms for Senate members (twelve years). Once term-limited in one house, a legislator cannot be elected to the other.

    South Dakota Legislature: four consecutive two-year terms for both houses (eight years).

    Overturned or repealed state legislative term limits

    The following six legislatures have had their term limits nullified:

    Idaho Legislature: the Legislature repealed its own term limits in 2002.

    Massachusetts General Court: the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court overturned term limits in 1997.

    Oregon Legislative Assembly: the Oregon Supreme Court ruled term limits unconstitutional in 2002. (how the hell is it unconstitutional when the president of the United States is limited to only 2 terms??)

    Utah State Legislature: the Legislature repealed its own term limits in 2003.

    Washington State Legislature: the Washington Supreme Court voided term limits in 1998.

    Wyoming Legislature: the Wyoming Supreme Court ruled term limits unconstitutional in 2004. (see Oregon)

    In practice, most other offices of elected officials ate the federal level have no term limit. At the state level, most offices of elected officials are limited to 4+ terms equating to up to 12 or more years in office for the lower level officials. But governors and such have no term limit and some states have no term limit at all. And then we have the city/county level elected offices which also have no term limits for mayors and sheriffs (see Mayor Bloominidiot).

    Final word... NO, an election is not a term limit. As has been mentioned in other threads, a big problem with our election system is that small geographical areas of high density population areas tend to constantly vote certain ways. This makes it so the vast majority or the geographical area (the entire state or the entire country for that matter) are forced to live with the votes of everybody else. Take the outdated electoral college for example... If the president and VP get enough votes in a state, they win the whole state even if they don't win the popular vote (has actually happened in recent years).

    So ALL elected officials need to be subject to a term limit and that term limit should be no higher then the maximum number of years that the President of the United States is limited to (8 years).
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    For god's sake no, the Supreme Court should NOT be an elected office. The more you move toward democracy on everything, the more the socialists take over. You might note that all the totalitarian governments are called "People's Democratic Republic" etc for a reason. Democracy is mob rule; our government was setup to protect minority and out of power party interests in the hopes of preventing trampling of people's rights by tyranny of a majority.

    You might put a limit on a Justice's time to serve, but the entire point is that one administration appoints Justices which will put some legacy limits on succeeding Administrations over the next decade or two. The entire point of the setup put forth in the Constitution was to limit change to a very slow pace, so that there was no upheaval and radical change possible, in this way the people have the time to remedy (in theory) things like the currently anti-American Democrats that infest government.

    The moving of Senators to popular vote was a HUGE mistake, and against the intent of the Framers. The Senate is there to represent the STATES, not the people - their representatives are Congress. Senators are supposed to be selected after the election by the various state houses, each sending two to Washington to represent the state in question in the Federal government.

    From among Congress and Senate, the President and Vice-President are supposed to be selected, this normally wound up with them from opposite parties. I imagine that the reason it was changed was this encouraged assassinations (since the VP was guaranteed to change the direction of the Administration, ie Johnson taking over from Lincoln.

    If anything, we need to move the Senate back where it was, and revamp the Electoral College to better balance the power between states. Currently California has as many votes as the 13 least populous states. I would propose no state have more than 25 votes and no less than 5 votes - this would cut the unwarranted clout of CA, NY etc on the vast majority of the rest of the country especially since they can't even manage their own affairs. This gets a much better balance between the urban centers and rural America.

    Something most important is that people learn their rights as jurors and stop convicting people under bad laws. Trial by jury was put in place to protect our rights as WE the citizens must approve of any crime's application via trial - the thwarting of bad law is where the concept of our basic freedoms came from (free speech, freedom of religion, freedom of the press). Judges usurp this power today telling you they will explain how you are to apply the law and you can't vote your conscience. Bullschit! One of the early Congress IMPEACHED Justice Samuel Chase for that same instruction.

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    Grim I do believe you missed the point.
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    I wonder what it would take to impose term limits on Congresspersons? We need to find a way to get rid of these lifers who have constituents that are too stupid to see through their bullsh!t. Like Feinstein, Pelosi, & McCain, just to name a few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveT319 View Post
    I wonder what it would take to impose term limits on Congresspersons? We need to find a way to get rid of these lifers who have constituents that are too stupid to see through their bullsh!t. Like Feinstein, Pelosi, & McCain, just to name a few.
    Constitutional convention. May be the last hope, seeing as the "election" system is rigged.

    That or just wait til they see the light and repent of their evil ways (because that's bound to happen).
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    I don't support term limits, that's what I feel elections are for, however, I do support a recall option. This would allow the short term memory voters to take action prior to the next election before they forget what their representatives pulled on them. That seemed to work well in Colorado too. Unfortunately in Oklahoma, we only have the option to recall local officials in some jurisdictions.

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    I usually vote against the incumbent. If not, then first half of the decade it's alphabetical A-Z, second half of the decade alphabetical Z-A. State elections, I use a convoluted system of scoring the number of vowels in the candidate's last name and the precise targeting of drunken bar darts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arin Morris View Post
    I don't support term limits, that's what I feel elections are for, however, I do support a recall option. This would allow the short term memory voters to take action prior to the next election before they forget what their representatives pulled on them. That seemed to work well in Colorado too. Unfortunately in Oklahoma, we only have the option to recall local officials in some jurisdictions.
    If recalling an elected official was a more simple, guaranteed process of the people across the board, that might keep politicians more honest. Not fully, obviously, since a) politician and b) politician, but they might make greater pains to listen to the people. Maybe.

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    THIS is a prime example of why there should be term limits!

    http://news.msn.com/us/us-lawmaker-c...-salary-freeze

    Representative Jim Moran, who is not seeking re-election in November, has objected to fiscal 2015 spending legislation that calls for another pay freeze for Congress, keeping lawmakers' salaries at $174,000 a year.
    http://blog.heritage.org/2011/07/29/...inge-benefits/

    But Our Generation and the Taxpayers Protection Alliance report that the congressional base salary is just the beginning. If you count the $110,000 in taxpayer-funded fringe benefits Members receive (including plush retirement plans, paid time off, and contributions to Social Security and Medicare taxes), they’re earning close to $285,000 per year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grim_Night View Post
    You couldn't pay me enough to kiss that much a**, shake all those germ-covered hands from people in BFE, and be forced to endure the idiotic ramblings of citizens that have no idea how our government works, they just want a soccer field built where the old chemical plant was.

    However, gov't work is no longer "public service."

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