Double barreled AR-15 ?!?

Baked on Grease · Mar 29, 2014

Grapeshot said:
It is a Class III gun.

"A machine gun is any gun that can fire more than one shot with a single pull of the trigger,...."
http://www.titleii.com/bardwell/nfa_faqhtml.html#What_Is_An_NFA_Weapon

IMO - both barrels could be bolt action and it would still be Class III.

I remember someone here linked a letter from the ATF about these double barrel guns. Their opinion was that is was NOT a class 3 item. The said something to the effect of: they 'understand that the definition to mean one cycle per trigger pull. So long as the trigger must be released and depressed a second time to initiate a second cycle it is still a semiautomatic weapon. You could fire a thousand barrels at once to expel a thousand rounds at a time so long as the trigger only initiates a single cycling of the action."

I am on a mobile and at work so my Google powers are limited. .. If it's not found by the time I get home I'll hunt for it then.

Also according to that definition a single 'shot' does not necessarily mean a single bullet but can easily be interpreted to mean a single cycling of the action as a shot. Otherwise a shotgun could be defined as a class 3 item since each pellet could be defined as a 'shot' if it is then interchangeable with 'bullet' in the law...

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marshaul · Mar 29, 2014

Ah, that's a really good point. Clearly "shot" cannot mean "projectile", or else the law would refer to shotguns, which nobody thinks for a minute was the intended effect.

So if one "shot" can constitute multiple projectiles, why must it be limited to a single cartridge?

stealthyeliminator · Mar 29, 2014

Baked on Grease said:
I remember someone here linked a letter from the ATF about these double barrel guns. Their opinion was that is was NOT a class 3 item. The said something to the effect of: they 'understand that the definition to mean one cycle per trigger pull. So long as the trigger must be released and depressed a second time to initiate a second cycle it is still a semiautomatic weapon. You could fire a thousand barrels at once to expel a thousand rounds at a time so long as the trigger only initiates a single cycling of the action."

I am on a mobile and at work so my Google powers are limited. .. If it's not found by the time I get home I'll hunt for it then.

Also according to that definition a single 'shot' does not necessarily mean a single bullet but can easily be interpreted to mean a single cycling of the action as a shot. Otherwise a shotgun could be defined as a class 3 item since each pellet could be defined as a 'shot' if it is then interchangeable with 'bullet' in the law...

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Makes sense. Thank you. I don't doubt you, but I'm anxious to see that letter

Baked on Grease · Mar 29, 2014

stealthyeliminator said:
Makes sense. Thank you. I don't doubt you, but I'm anxious to see that letter

Been looking and looking and looking... I can find a few forum posts (on other websites like Reddit) where people mention the same letter I talked about, but no one linking the actual damn letter. Contacted a few people who might know and/or might have saved it off on their computers. Will update when I get a response back.

MAC702 · Mar 29, 2014

Grapeshot said:
...You half to appreciate that.

Well played, sir!

Baked on Grease · Mar 30, 2014

FOUND IT! Or at least one that supports my supposition, if not exactly the one I recall.

http://imgur.com/a/vt2Qz

Question number 16: Can an unlicensed individual legally build or modify an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle so it has 1 trigger and 3 barrels, which would allow an operator to pull the trigger causing a round in each barrel to be fired simultaneously?

Answer: Yes, as with all Volley guns, this configuration is legal as long as there are no other offending features (i.e. length, lack of rifling in bore, automatic fire etc.) a trigger pull resulting in one shot occurring from multiple barrels would be legal. Following firing, the trigger must then be reset to fire subsequent shots.

Volley Gun eh? Also, this answer seems to support my position that 'shot' means one cycle of the action.

stealthyeliminator · Mar 30, 2014

Baked on Grease said:
FOUND IT! Or at least one that supports my supposition, if not exactly the one I recall.

http://imgur.com/a/vt2Qz

Question number 16: Can an unlicensed individual legally build or modify an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle so it has 1 trigger and 3 barrels, which would allow an operator to pull the trigger causing a round in each barrel to be fired simultaneously?

Answer: Yes, as with all Volley guns, this configuration is legal as long as there are no other offending features (i.e. length, lack of rifling in bore, automatic fire etc.) a trigger pull resulting in one shot occurring from multiple barrels would be legal. Following firing, the trigger must then be reset to fire subsequent shots.

Volley Gun eh? Also, this answer seems to support my position that 'shot' means one cycle of the action.

Thank you much for the info you've provided!

sudden valley gunner · Mar 30, 2014

Baked on Grease said:
FOUND IT! Or at least one that supports my supposition, if not exactly the one I recall.

http://imgur.com/a/vt2Qz

Question number 16: Can an unlicensed individual legally build or modify an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle so it has 1 trigger and 3 barrels, which would allow an operator to pull the trigger causing a round in each barrel to be fired simultaneously?

Answer: Yes, as with all Volley guns, this configuration is legal as long as there are no other offending features (i.e. length, lack of rifling in bore, automatic fire etc.) a trigger pull resulting in one shot occurring from multiple barrels would be legal. Following firing, the trigger must then be reset to fire subsequent shots.

Volley Gun eh? Also, this answer seems to support my position that 'shot' means one cycle of the action.

Nice! Great work on digging that up.

Primus · Mar 30, 2014

Baked on Grease said:
FOUND IT! Or at least one that supports my supposition, if not exactly the one I recall.

http://imgur.com/a/vt2Qz

Question number 16: Can an unlicensed individual legally build or modify an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle so it has 1 trigger and 3 barrels, which would allow an operator to pull the trigger causing a round in each barrel to be fired simultaneously?

Answer: Yes, as with all Volley guns, this configuration is legal as long as there are no other offending features (i.e. length, lack of rifling in bore, automatic fire etc.) a trigger pull resulting in one shot occurring from multiple barrels would be legal. Following firing, the trigger must then be reset to fire subsequent shots.

Volley Gun eh? Also, this answer seems to support my position that 'shot' means one cycle of the action.

Good catch I appreciate you clearing it up.

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MAC702 · Mar 30, 2014

Yes, thank you! All the talk surrounding the Arsenal .45 and that's the first time I've seen that! Thank you!

"Volley gun;" cool.

Okay, so then if this was adapted to a 37mm launcher that had a configuration that didn't make it an SBR, this would be legal without registration, too, right? http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2009/10/13/the-beehive-hornets-nest-40mm-10x-22lr-adapter/

davidmcbeth · Mar 31, 2014

Baked on Grease said:
FOUND IT! Or at least one that supports my supposition, if not exactly the one I recall.

http://imgur.com/a/vt2Qz

Question number 16: Can an unlicensed individual legally build or modify an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle so it has 1 trigger and 3 barrels, which would allow an operator to pull the trigger causing a round in each barrel to be fired simultaneously?

Answer: Yes, as with all Volley guns, this configuration is legal as long as there are no other offending features (i.e. length, lack of rifling in bore, automatic fire etc.) a trigger pull resulting in one shot occurring from multiple barrels would be legal. Following firing, the trigger must then be reset to fire subsequent shots.

Volley Gun eh? Also, this answer seems to support my position that 'shot' means one cycle of the action.

Good find...why the forum exists...

Now, lets go waste some ammo ! :banana::banana:

Grapeshot · Mar 31, 2014

Duck foot volley pistol. Holster?

http://www.dave-cushman.net/shot/ducksfoot.html

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