Connecticut Chooses Liberty - CAGV Counter-attack

sudden valley gunner said:

I support people doing it no matter what their personal reason for doing it is. I support individualism.

Your argument does appear to be a constitutional argument, you want to be secure in your person, papers and effects.

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Ah! never thought of that view -- I was looking at infringement of 2nd but that argument is interesting too.

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No letters to those non-compliant regarding confiscations, not registered, Interwebz lie? I now read "The basic premise was that registration leads to confiscation."

What? Which is it? Registered leads to confiscation, or could. Or, not registered leads to confiscation.


[SUP]1[/SUP] Except guns, the illegal kind.

OC for ME said:

No letters to those non-compliant regarding confiscations, not registered, Interwebz lie? I now read "The basic premise was that registration leads to confiscation."

What? Which is it? Registered leads to confiscation, or could. Or, not registered leads to confiscation.


[SUP]1[/SUP] Except guns, the illegal kind.

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Interesting discussion. It seems both, I don't see why we should separate guns legal or "illegal" (to me there are no illegal guns just prohibited ones).

Many of the "founders" were smugglers fighting against government writs and searches for their contraband, which they had in mind when writing the fourth.

I think both leads to confiscation if we left it up to the machinations of the state, shame on them for putting people in that position.

sudden valley gunner said:

Interesting discussion. It seems both, I don't see why we should separate guns legal or "illegal" (to me there are no illegal guns just prohibited ones).

Many of the "founders" were smugglers fighting against government writs and searches for their contraband, which they had in mind when writing the fourth.

I think both leads to confiscation if we left it up to the machinations of the state, shame on them for putting people in that position.

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All true, but the question is, if the applicable citizens of CT do not register their prohibited gun(s) will the cops come and get them and their "illegal" gun(s).

To me the question remains unanswered.

We all concede, I hope, that the registered gun(s) can now be more easily confiscated as a result of being registered.

OC for ME said:

All true, but the question is, if the applicable citizens of CT do not register their prohibited gun(s) will the cops come and get them and their "illegal" gun(s).

To me the question remains unanswered.

We all concede, I hope, that the registered gun(s) can now be more easily confiscated as a result of being registered.

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Yep good question.

Which in my mind makes for more questions. How do they know who to go after, in my state DOL is (unconstitutionally in my opinion) sharing FFL paper work with cops creating a defacto registration.

Will the Ct gun owners hold their ground and resist these intrusions?

What will the result be if they do? How far will the state go to impose it's will upon them. Will the people serving the state or their "community" feel these thousands of gun owners somehow are not part of their community to be served and enforce the will of the state over the will of the people?

Will people who don't reside in this state stand up and support the Ct gun owners? and to what extent?

sudden valley gunner said:

Yep good question.

Which in my mind makes for more questions. How do they know who to go after, in my state DOL is (unconstitutionally in my opinion) sharing FFL paper work with cops creating a defacto registration.

Will the Ct gun owners hold their ground and resist these intrusions?

What will the result be if they do? How far will the state go to impose it's will upon them. Will the people serving the state or their "community" feel these thousands of gun owners somehow are not part of their community to be served and enforce the will of the state over the will of the people?

Will people who don't reside in this state stand up and support the Ct gun owners? and to what extent?

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Troopers from the southern parts of the state go up north. No vested interest, not their neighbors. North to the south, east to west, west to east. No vested interest, no problem. Unless the local, county, and state cops have alluded to the contrary, recently, they will likely carry out the orders of a court. But, this is just a guess on my part. Are there some cops who will balk? perhaps, but paychecks continuing to bank accounts are a powerful motivator to "follow orders" and use such as justification for their acts.

sudden valley gunner said:

Yep good question.

Which in my mind makes for more questions. How do they know who to go after, in my state DOL is (unconstitutionally in my opinion) sharing FFL paper work with cops creating a defacto registration.

Will the Ct gun owners hold their ground and resist these intrusions?

What will the result be if they do? How far will the state go to impose it's will upon them. Will the people serving the state or their "community" feel these thousands of gun owners somehow are not part of their community to be served and enforce the will of the state over the will of the people?

Will people who don't reside in this state stand up and support the Ct gun owners? and to what extent?

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Will the Ct gun owners hold their ground and resist these intrusions?
I doubt it. At least not with arms. Hopefully, jury nullification prevails.

What will the result be if they do?
Well, I think that if folks use their right to nullify, I think that it must be broader than just people on trial for crimes under gun laws - it must be universal. Make the alternative to repeal worse than keeping it on the books. All criminal cases should be nullified. Then the gov't has a choice: a) repeal b) don't and have the gov't be unable to convict anyone of any crime

Will people who don't reside in this state stand up and support the Ct gun owners? and to what extent?
Most states have laws that are contrary to our RKBA so nullification is something everyone can do. Its legal and can be effective

Recall, it takes 50% of the voters (in a true democracy) to effect a law; it takes 8% for a law to be one where the gov't is not to be able to get convictions, rendering it almost useless. The gov't can pass whatever laws it wants - if they cannot convict people then the laws are meaningless.

The anti-rights groups have been desperately scrambling to gain traction in their thunderclap. So far, we have stayed in the lead by a very good margin, but it is time for us to put our foot back to the floor.

We have not raised the goal in a while, but we are now. We need to get to 2,000 supporters by the end of the day.

The anti-rights groups have finally crested 1,000 supporters. Most of these supporters are coming from the Bloomberg funded national anti-rights groups, despite CSGV crying on twitter that we had national support. Hypocrisy is nothing new with the anti-rights groups.

Remember what we are fighting for on this thunderclap:

To provide social media cover for the CCDL Rally in Hartford on Saturday, April 5th. While people are out exercising their rights, the anti-rights groups aimed to attack them on social media with linguistic filth like accusing them of being 'the KKK', 'bullies' or out to 'intimidate'.

We have seen the discourse from their supporters, now is the time to show what a minority they are and relegate them to being a figment of history.

Please contact your state and federal gun rights organizations, gun clubs and the businesses you support to get involved. While we can still use as many individual supporters as we can get, the big names will push us over.

Make sure you explain that it is important that they actually come to our thunderclap and support it, not just reshare the link. The action of supporting only posts a message on your account on Saturday at noon, but it provides so much to make the anti-rights groups ineffectual.

Connecticut Chooses Liberty!

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