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    No Urban Myth - Hands & Feet Considered Deadly

    10 Guam Code Ann. § 62100:
    Any person who is an expert in the art of karate or judo, or any similar physical ar[t] in which the hands and feet are used as deadly weapons, is required to register with the Department of Revenue and Taxation.

    Experts are defined by § 62104:

    A karate or judo expert required to register by the provisions of this Chapter shall be a person trained in the arts of karate, judo or other hand-to-hand fighting technique, whereby the hands, feet or other parts of the body are used as weapons, who shall have completed at least one level of training therein and shall have been issued a belt or other symbol showing proficiency in such art.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/v...apons-in-guam/
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    I just had to google "Guam § 62100" didn't I?
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    The last sentence could be interpreted many ways. One could interpret a 5th kyu to be an "expert" or "profocient" when comparing that individual to another similarly aged and physically fit individual. What irks me is that martial arts is a journey taken by individuals and each will not progress the same, nor be of the same fighting skill. There may be a 7th kyu who can match with a 3rd Dan on the mat, yet only know half the katas and only the first yakusoko set.

    Laws are left intentionally vague for a reason. Take a guess what that reason is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post



    So you can be taxed on an item that may disappear altogether with injury or illness. Follow the money.

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    Another thought...what is the legal definitions of "karate" and "judo?" Does that include other arts such as TKD, Muy Thai, Aikido, Tai Chi Chuan, Kenpo...or is it strictly Okinawan/Japanese based styles? Do visitors also have to register? If so, that's one place I will never visit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wimwag View Post
    Another thought...what is the legal definitions of "karate" and "judo?" Does that include other arts such as TKD, Muy Thai, Aikido, Tai Chi Chuan, Kenpo...or is it strictly Okinawan/Japanese based styles? Do visitors also have to register? If so, that's one place I will never visit.
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    My question is how would they know.

    And why would you register or tell them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firearms Iinstuctor View Post
    My question is how would they know.

    And why would you register or tell them.
    Because criminals ALWAYS register their guns and follow the law. So it's only fair that law-abiding citizens do the same./ heavy sarcasm off

    I do have to ask though: what happens if one is just visiting? Say that Chuck Norris decides to go for a stroll in the area; what happens after he walks on water and swims through land to get there?
    I carry to defend my loved ones; Desensitizing and educating are secondary & tertiary reasons. Anything else is unintended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    ...Experts are defined by § 62104:
    A karate or judo expert required to register by the provisions of this Chapter shall be a person trained in the arts of karate, judo or other hand-to-hand fighting technique, whereby the hands, feet or other parts of the body are used as weapons, who shall have completed at least one level of training therein and shall have been issued a belt or other symbol showing proficiency in such art...
    Wow. I have a yellow belt in judo, which means I know how to fall. But I'm going to start telling people I'm an expert! Cool!
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    I would think just picking up a good stout stick or some other improvised weapon might make one more deadly
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    Wow. I have a yellow belt in judo, which means I know how to fall. But I'm going to start telling people I'm an expert! Cool!



    lol indeed. According to the Guamanese gubment, any belt equals expertise. Now every yellow striper is a certified killer lmao

    Guamanese is legit. My hands and feet are deadly weapons so you have to listen to me now bwaaahahaa

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    Wow. I have a yellow belt in judo, which means I know how to fall. But I'm going to start telling people I'm an expert! Cool!



    SLAP! lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firearms Iinstuctor View Post
    I would think just picking up a good stout stick or some other improvised weapon might make one more deadly
    Didn't work against Bruce Lee. Or that dude in drunken master. Hands and feet are the way to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesCanby View Post
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    Nice! Explain the weight gain thing to me??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    Didn't work against Bruce Lee. Or that dude in drunken master. Hands and feet are the way to go.

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    Folding chairs and thrown laptops seem to work on Jackie Chan. And Jet Li can be broken with a dog collar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    Didn't work against Bruce Lee. Or that dude in drunken master. Hands and feet are the way to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wimwag View Post
    Folding chairs and thrown laptops seem to work on Jackie Chan. And Jet Li can be broken with a dog collar.
    You guys forget Chuck Norris!
    I carry to defend my loved ones; Desensitizing and educating are secondary & tertiary reasons. Anything else is unintended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firearms Iinstuctor View Post
    I would think just picking up a good stout stick or some other improvised weapon might make one more deadly
    Kali.
    http://andersonsmartialarts.com/clas...-weapons-kali/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Young Man View Post
    You guys forget Chuck Norris!
    No, but I am trying.
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training.” Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post

    Orchestrated fighting which a lot of the martial arts have become doesn't impress me a lot.

    There is a reason martial arts never really caught on here.

    WEAPONS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firearms Iinstuctor View Post
    Orchestrated fighting which a lot of the martial arts have become doesn't impress me a lot.

    There is a reason martial arts never really caught on here.

    WEAPONS.
    The underlying reason behind Kali/Eskrima was to avoid the restriction against locals from praticing/learning self-defense techniques. Those restrictions still exist today, but are accomplished in different ways.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eskrima

    I have found it useful in maintaining hand/eye coordination and fast muscle response. It is not an end-all solution nor my first choice in self-defense.
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    Completed a single level of training... so getting a basic white belt forces you to register yourself as a deadly weapon?

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    Somewhere, I have a "second degree" junior black belt in Taekwondo.

    Of course, I don't need no stinkin' badges.

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    Which kwan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baked on Grease View Post
    Completed a single level of training... so getting a basic white belt forces you to register yourself as a deadly weapon?

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    Maybe if you start out with no belt. Some systems still forgo the white belt or equivalent kyu and award a belt upon completion of the first test.

    My sensei tells overly eager students this: a belt is just a piece of cloth that goes around your waist.

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