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    Is this considered legal open carrying (picture included)

    I do some walking and do not wear pants with belts and am a bit too large for shoulder holsters. Since I don't have my CPL, I have to open carry. My solution was to wear my gun openly on the outside of my backpack. I achieved this by adding Velcro tape to the holster and the backpack and tightly tying the bands of the backpack around the outside of the holster. Since this is clearly visible, this would be legally open carrying still, correct?


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    I believe this would be legal, but not very prudent.
    My reasons to OC
    1. to raise awareness of the legality of open carry in Michigan
    2. To raise awareness that good people carry guns
    3. A deterrent to people so that I won't be targeted
    4. Because it's more comfortable than CC in most situations
    5. Because I can and want to
    6. Because it's perfectly legal
    7. Self defense

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    jog on, troll.
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    Perhaps, but tactically, there are concerns. It appears to be at the very rear of the pack, well out of your visual field. In a crowd, it could easily get snatched.

    There are some duty belts that fasten with velcro that could be worn over your clothing, and provide a secure, tactically sound method to keep your sidearm handy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smellslikemichigan View Post
    jog on, troll.
    That would seem the more likely appropriate response.

    But if you were serious, potcha, no, don't do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by potcha View Post
    I do some walking and do not wear pants with belts and am a bit too large for shoulder holsters. Since I don't have my CPL, I have to open carry. My solution was to wear my gun openly on the outside of my backpack. I achieved this by adding Velcro tape to the holster and the backpack and tightly tying the bands of the backpack around the outside of the holster. Since this is clearly visible, this would be legally open carrying still, correct?
    such a nice sig, in such a cheap holster.

    if you are wearing sweat pants maybe look into a OWB paddle holster like a blackhawk serpa. im no small guy but i can pull off walking in a serpa with sweat pants. i wouldnt recommend carrying that way. easy to have someone come snatch it off your bag. then you are disarmed and defenseless..... dont do that to yourself

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    Looks like a good way to lose your holster and pistol and not know it.
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    Carry/wear it on the front of your chest and solve the problems

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    Grape I don't see where the holster is in that photo - are you posting pics of CC?

    Or is it one of those new Woodbridge holsters - UDHs - under-the-diaper holster?
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    It's legal.

    But you should probably start wearing belts. If your safety is important enough to start carrying a gun, surely it's important enough to start wearing a belt.

    Then you can join the rest of adulthood (who doesn't wear belts?)!
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    Quote Originally Posted by HPmatt View Post
    Grape I don't see where the holster is in that photo - are you posting pics of CC?

    Or is it one of those new Woodbridge holsters - UDHs - under-the-diaper holster?
    Walk around to the other side.

    You will note the carrier is forward on the right side - provides room for full size handgun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michigander View Post
    That would seem the more likely appropriate response.

    But if you were serious, potcha, no, don't do that.
    yeah, new account, one post. very little chance this clown is serious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smellslikemichigan View Post
    yeah, new account, one post. very little chance this clown is serious.
    Seriously?

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    seems legit to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Walk around to the other side.

    You will note the carrier is forward on the right side - provides room for full size handgun.
    I think I see a 357 imprinting on his onezee (sp?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by smellslikemichigan View Post
    yeah, new account, one post. very little chance this clown is serious.
    He posted the exact same thing on MOC's forum....hmmmm....wonder if someone is reverting to their old ways.... ???

    On the off chance this is legit...the only way I see to safely wear that rig would be with the pack at your front, thus making it a frontpack & not a backpack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SD40VE View Post
    such a nice sig, in such a cheap holster.

    if you are wearing sweat pants maybe look into a OWB paddle holster like a blackhawk serpa. im no small guy but i can pull off walking in a serpa with sweat pants. i wouldnt recommend carrying that way. easy to have someone come snatch it off your bag. then you are disarmed and defenseless..... dont do that to yourself
    Dude, neither Serpas nor paddle holsters in general are very serious (some would argue Serpas are unreliable and dangerous at worst) and while they will generally work okay for most people in most cases, a serpa paddle holster hooked to sweat pants for OCing is kind of hitting the trifecta of not such a good idea for OCing in populated public areas. You can have a dedicated, adjustable gun belt that you can instantly buckle around your waist whether you're at a nudist colony or riding snowmobiles in the UP bundled up heavily. You can get fancier, but a 50 dollar Safailand and a 6 dollar tool belt and you are there. There is no reason not to do it right.
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    I love how people who haven't used a Serpa always harp on them. Armchair QBs lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by wimwag View Post
    I love how people who haven't used a Serpa always harp on them. Armchair QBs lol
    I used a Serpa daily for nearly half a decade until it catastrophically failed by deconstructing off my belt. I sounded just like you once.

    Have fun with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post
    I used a Serpa daily for nearly half a decade until it catastrophically failed by deconstructing off my belt. I sounded just like you once.

    Have fun with that.
    What failed on it was it the paddle that came off, did one of belt loops break, the screws come loose or did it crack and come apart.

    Fairly simple design like any thing stuff happens I had nylon holster rip. I had leather holsters dry rot ,stitching tear and rivets pop and rip out, thumb snaps tear through get bent among many things nothing is perfect for sure.

    After using holsters regularly for over 40 years I find the man made materials handier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post
    I used a Serpa daily for nearly half a decade until it catastrophically failed by deconstructing off my belt. I sounded just like you once.

    Have fun with that.



    I replace my holsters every 6-12 months. If course, I never spend more than $40...

    Do you also not oil and clean your gun?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firearms Iinstuctor View Post
    What failed on it was it the paddle that came off, did one of belt loops break, the screws come loose or did it crack and come apart.

    Fairly simple design like any thing stuff happens I had nylon holster rip. I had leather holsters dry rot ,stitching tear and rivets pop and rip out, thumb snaps tear through get bent among many things nothing is perfect for sure.

    After using holsters regularly for over 40 years I find the man made materials handier.

    Word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wimwag View Post
    I replace my holsters every 6-12 months. If course, I never spend more than $40...


    The problem I have with kydex paddle holsters is fatigue. Unlike leather, which ages well, plastic gives little indication of age until it fails, usually catastrophically.

    The problem I have with the Serpa is that it's cheap and flimsy, so it's all the more likely to fatigue – compare it to basically any Safariland kydex holster.

    Anything which has a lifetime of 6 months is a toy. A good margin to be working with is in years, not months.

    Do you also replace your firearms every 6-12 months?
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    As a public service, I will provide a good home to all Serpas and handguns having worn out their welcome - an adoptive parent can be loving too
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    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post


    The problem I have with kydex paddle holsters is fatigue. Unlike leather, which ages well, plastic gives little indication of age until it fails, usually catastrophically.

    The problem I have with the Serpa is that it's cheap and flimsy, so it's all the more likely to fatigue – compare it to basically any Safariland kydex holster.

    Anything which has a lifetime of 6 months is a toy. A good margin to be working with is in years, not months.

    Do you also replace your firearms every 6-12 months?
    So what failed on yours that's a fairly simple question.
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