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    Don't bring your gun to the Richmond Airport!

    I did an interview yesterday for NBC 12....Someone brought another gun to the airport again.


    http://m.nbc12.com/#!/newsDetail/25164478

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    From the article:
    "I understand the right to bear arms and I can see how some people would say that's very important but an airport is a place where everybody should feel safe," passenger Emma Lynch said.
    Hey, as long as you "feel safe" everything is ok, right?? (never mind that you may not actually BE safe...).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blk97F150 View Post
    From the article:


    Hey, as long as you "feel safe" everything is ok, right?? (never mind that you may not actually BE safe...).
    Perception trumps reality in some minds.

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    Why can't "journalists" EVER report a firearm-related story accurately? The handgun in the picture is a Ruger LCP that is chambered in .380 caliber, yet the story describes it as a .38 caliber handgun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesCanby View Post
    Why can't "journalists" EVER report a firearm-related story accurately? The handgun in the picture is a Ruger LCP that is chambered in .380 caliber, yet the story describes it as a .38 caliber handgun.

    When Brent called me, I didn't have any details about the gun...otherwise I would have corrected that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesCanby View Post
    Why can't "journalists" EVER report a firearm-related story accurately? The handgun in the picture is a Ruger LCP that is chambered in .380 caliber, yet the story describes it as a .38 caliber handgun.
    Technically it is a .357 caliber handgun, as caliber refers to barrel/bullet diameter and the barrel diameter of a Ruger LCP is .357. However, do to inconsistent naming conventions over the years, .357 caliber cartridges are frequently described as .38 caliber and it is to late to fix that.

    So, moving on and accepting the above error, you are still wrong. The commonly accepted usage is that .38 caliber is the set of all handgun rounds that are either .38 in diameter, or that are named .38 or any variation thereof.

    So while it would have been wrong for them to have said something like ".38 acp", or ".38 special", as those are specifically other rounds than this gun uses, .38 caliber is okay because it is a catchall term. .380 acp would have been better of course, being far more specific, but that doesn't make the article wrong. It is like the difference between describing an automobile as a "Black SUV" instead of as a "Black Toyota Highlander". Both are correct, the second is just much more specific.



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    Jim -

    Good job, overall. Brent and the folks who trod on the cutting room floor probably accounted for most of what got my dander up.

    A pro tip for anybody who finds themselves headed for a permissive (I hate that term) location but diverted to a non-permissive one: DO NOT collect your checked luggage at the nonpermissive locale airport. Go to the airline's Lost Luggage office and report it as missing, and ask them to send it on to you (at your permissive destination) when it is found. As long as you do not take possession of it, it is still properly checked and TSA-inspected and even if taken off one plane and put on another it is good to go.

    You did insure your luggage beyond what the airline "provides" (as required by law but does not cover stuff like firearms - or guitars*) for the value of your firearm and other stuff, didn't you?

    stay safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    a permissive (I hate that term) location
    Once upon a time we had the words "liberal" and "illiberal" to describe a government or location's tendency to respect right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    Jim -

    Good job, overall. Brent and the folks who trod on the cutting room floor.

    I said a lot more, but only snippets made it into the piece as usual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arentol View Post
    Technically it is a .357 caliber handgun, as caliber refers to barrel/bullet diameter and the barrel diameter of a Ruger LCP is .357. However, do to inconsistent naming conventions over the years, .357 caliber cartridges are frequently described as .38 caliber and it is to late to fix that.

    So, moving on and accepting the above error, you are still wrong. The commonly accepted usage is that .38 caliber is the set of all handgun rounds that are either .38 in diameter, or that are named .38 or any variation thereof.

    So while it would have been wrong for them to have said something like ".38 acp", or ".38 special", as those are specifically other rounds than this gun uses, .38 caliber is okay because it is a catchall term. .380 acp would have been better of course, being far more specific, but that doesn't make the article wrong. It is like the difference between describing an automobile as a "Black SUV" instead of as a "Black Toyota Highlander". Both are correct, the second is just much more specific.



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    A 380 is .359 not .357

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    A 380 is .359 not .357
    Neck of fired .380 case I have measure's .355 (9 mm)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.380_ACP

    Specifications
    Case type Rimless, straight
    Bullet diameter .355 in (9.0 mm)
    Neck diameter .373 in (9.5 mm)
    Base diameter .374 in (9.5 mm)
    Rim diameter .374 in (9.5 mm)
    Rim thickness .045 in (1.1 mm)
    Case length .680 in (17.3 mm)
    Overall length .984 in (25.0 mm)
    Maximum pressure 21,500 psi (148 MPa)
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    A 380 is .359 not .357
    What is a "380"?

    It's that like a 360 except you keep your skateboard going an extra 20 degrees?

    If you meant "a .380 acp", which is something that actually exists.... Well, you are still wrong. The bullet is .355, not .359.

    Also .380 acp barrels vary from .356 to .360, and at the time the .380 acp was invented they were usually aiming for and achieving .357 or .358. They didn't try for.355 or .356 because a too narrow a bore was dangerous while a too wide of one was just annoying.

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    The standard for 380acp,9mm kurz for decades have been .355
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf_shadow View Post
    Neck of fired .380 case I have measure's .355 (9 mm)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.380_ACP

    Specifications
    Case type Rimless, straight
    Bullet diameter .355 in (9.0 mm)
    Neck diameter .373 in (9.5 mm)
    Base diameter .374 in (9.5 mm)
    Rim diameter .374 in (9.5 mm)
    Rim thickness .045 in (1.1 mm)
    Case length .680 in (17.3 mm)
    Overall length .984 in (25.0 mm)
    Maximum pressure 21,500 psi (148 MPa)

    Sorry, you're right WS Jacketed is .355. I cast 9mm to 359 and size to 358 which is standard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arentol View Post
    What is a "380"?

    It's that like a 360 except you keep your skateboard going an extra 20 degrees?

    If you meant "a .380 acp", which is something that actually exists.... Well, you are still wrong. The bullet is .355, not .359.

    Also .380 acp barrels vary from .356 to .360, and at the time the .380 acp was invented they were usually aiming for and achieving .357 or .358. They didn't try for.355 or .356 because a too narrow a bore was dangerous while a too wide of one was just annoying.

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    Pardon me for neglecting the ACP. I forgot I was in a thread with foreigners. Down here in Virginia we figure things out like that. Interesting you use Skate Boarding as an example.

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    Well,,,

    Of topic,,, Weeee!
    Try this analogy on for size...

    380 acp is to 9 mm Lugar
    as,,,
    38 Special is to 357 Magnum
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    Of topic,,, Weeee!
    Try this analogy on for size...

    380 acp is to 9 mm Lugar
    as,,,
    38 Special is to 357 Magnum
    Sounds good to me Defender!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    Of topic,,, Weeee!
    Try this analogy on for size...

    380 acp is to 9 mm Lugar
    as,,,
    38 Special is to 357 Magnum
    Right on. Look up heeled bullet and have the full picture of how 36 caliber became 38 caliber.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    Of topic,,, Weeee!
    Try this analogy on for size...

    380 acp is to 9 mm Lugar
    as,,,
    38 Special is to 357 Magnum
    Not at all a 38 spl if fully useable in a 357mag

    a 380acp is not in a 9mm luger
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    The idea of having an unloaded gun in checked baggage scares me; what if you should unexpectedly wind up at JFK or Newark and the airport wants to return your bag. They will have you arrested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glockfan View Post
    The idea of having an unloaded gun in checked baggage scares me; what if you should unexpectedly wind up at JFK or Newark and the airport wants to return your bag. They will have you arrested.

    Don't take custody of your bag.
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    Kind of like the people who turn them self in for accidently getting a fire arm aboard or making it through the check point with it.

    Field strip barrel in one trash can, springs in another, slide in another, frame in another magazine and ammo in another.

    The lost of firearm is a whole lot cheaper.

    Then being arrested for being honest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProShooter View Post
    Don't take custody of your bag.
    Seems like the obvious solution.

    Wait til you get to your destination and file a missing bag report. If you're lucky, the airline will manage to track the bag and forward it.

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    Saw the news clip…,

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesCanby View Post
    Why can't "journalists" EVER report a firearm-related story accurately? The handgun in the picture is a Ruger LCP that is chambered in .380 caliber, yet the story describes it as a .38 caliber handgun.
    good work, Jim. As for the other, well, I guess we can take some solace that they didn't describe it as an "Assault Weapon". :P

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