Action Alert! Bills About to Move.

Rusty Young Man · Apr 21, 2014

Sent the letter to the House "leaders". Harassed some friends who had sent the earlier ones until they sent the new ones. In total I have convinced a good handful of inactive college students to voice their opinions through something other than "social media", if only in that one moment.

Family is ever so s-l-o-w-l-y coming around to seeing the importance of at least SOME activism. Got my brother looking into AzCDL. Convinced him to at least look at the letters. He decided to send them too.

The suspense is killing me.

The Trickster · Apr 23, 2014

Aaaaaaaaand Brewer vetoed the bills. :banghead:

Rusty Young Man · Apr 23, 2014

The Trickster said:
Aaaaaaaaand Brewer vetoed the bills. :banghead:

HB 2339 & HB 2517?:banghead:
The first eliminated public victim-disarmament (CCW-holders only). The second strengthened state preemption (ALREADY on the books, just giving it teeth).

HB 2338 is still in play:
Summary: An AzCDL-requested bill. Adds to the defintion of Aggravated Assault the taking, or attempted taking, of a legally possessed firearm (other than by law enforcement in the performance of official duties).

SB 1366 is now in front of her as well
Summary: SB 1366 seeks to clarify the definition of a firearm and its application to the unlawful discharge statutes in the Arizona Revised Statutes.
This is the "expanding gas" vs "explosive" definition of firearms bill.

The Trickster · Apr 23, 2014

I guess I'll just have to continue to do what I have always done: CC at all public locations when I must go to them. The liberals can continue to feel safe since they don't see any guns which therefore means there aren't any, according to their imbecilic little minds. Public buildings can post their signs but my tax dollars and both the US and AZ constitutions give me the authority to carry, far as I'm concerned.

FreeInAZ · Apr 23, 2014

The Trickster said:
I guess I'll just have to continue to do what I have always done: CC at all public locations when I must go to them. The liberals can continue to feel safe since they don't see any guns which therefore means there aren't any, according to their imbecilic little minds. Public buildings can post their signs but my tax dollars and both the US and AZ constitutions give me the authority to carry, far as I'm concerned.

Edit bad info removed. - - -

I moved here from metro Detroit! Guess what - it is perfectly legal to carry in public buildings openly(no permit needed) or concealed(with permit) Has been for years now. Guess what? No blood in the streets from law-abiding gun carriers. AZ has many great gun laws (Human rights laws) on the books, but this veto should be a strong indicator of just how out of touch our Governor is with the peoples' will!

Rusty Young Man · Apr 23, 2014

FreeInAZ said:
You do understand that Gov. Brewer is a REPUBLICAN? She voted constitutional carry in 2010. The only way it passed was by a veto over-ride of the legislature, IIRC?

I moved here from metro Detroit! Guess what - it is perfectly legal to carry in public buildings openly(no permit needed) or concealed(with permit) Has been for years now. Guess what? No blood in the streets from law-abiding gun carriers. AZ has many great gun laws (Human rights laws) on the books, but this veto should be a strong indicator of just how out of touch our Governor is with the peoples' will!

You've got that right.

Just found out she also vetoed HB 2338.

We are not worthy.

On April 23, Governor Brewer vetoed HB 2338, which would have made it an Aggravated Assault if someone took, or attempted to take, your legally possessed firearm from you. In her veto letter the Governor said current law, which makes grabbing your firearm the equivalent of a punch in the nose, is sufficient.

Protection for me but not for thee.

The Governor, who is protected by armed bodyguards and whose office screens for weapons, vetoed HB 2339 which would have allowed CCW permit holders to carry in public (state and local government) facilities that do not screen for weapons. In other words, for us ordinary citizens, a cheap cardboard “no firearms” sign is all the protection we are entitled to and we must disarm when entering or risk arrest.

In her veto letter, Governor Brewer said she was concerned about the “fiscal impact” on state and local governments to beef up their security to make sure that even citizens with CCW permits can’t enter. Right! Let’s stick with the status quo, where any criminal intent on doing mayhem can waltz past the flimsy sign unmolested.

Arizona goes banana republic.

Governor Brewer also vetoed HB 2517 which would have added penalties for cities and counties violating state firearms preemption laws. If cities like Tucson want to push an ideological agenda by creating laws harassing otherwise law-abiding gun owners, they’ll get a wink and nod from Arizona’s Executive Branch.

One of the Governor’s arguments in her veto letter was that anyone who perceives a local ordinance is illegal may seek remedies through the legal system. Remember that when you’re arrested for violating some bogus local law and are facing financial ruin.

It's time to replace her.

Rusty Young Man · Apr 23, 2014

Two bills left. Anyone up for a little wager?
While she will probably sign SB 1366, I predict she'll veto HB 2535 and give some half-@ssed excuse for doing so. Any takers? Loser buys a sandwich at the Hero Factory.

I hope I lose this bet though.

SB 1366
Summary: SB 1366 seeks to clarify the definition of a firearm and its application to the unlawful discharge statutes in the Arizona Revised Statutes.
This is the "expanding gas" vs "explosive" definition of firearms bill.

HB 2535
Summary: HB 2535 would facilitate transfers of NFA (National Firearms Act) registered firearms by requiring local law enforcement to sign the required certification on legitimate transfers within 15 days after receiving a request to do so.

P.S.: Don't worry, I still haven't forgotten about the sandwich I owe one of our regulars on this thread.

FreeInAZ · Apr 23, 2014

Rusty Young Man said:
Two bills left. Anyone up for a little wager?
While she will probably sign SB 1366, I predict she'll veto HB 2535 and give some half-@ssed excuse for doing so. Any takers? Loser buys a sandwich at the Hero Factory. I hope I lose this bet though.

SB 1366
Summary: SB 1366 seeks to clarify the definition of a firearm and its application to the unlawful discharge statutes in the Arizona Revised Statutes.
This is the "expanding gas" vs "explosive" definition of firearms bill.

HB 2535
Summary: HB 2535 would facilitate transfers of NFA (National Firearms Act) registered firearms by requiring local law enforcement to sign the required certification on legitimate transfers within 15 days after receiving a request to do so.

P.S.: Don't worry, I still haven't forgotten about the sandwich I owe one of our regulars on this thread.

I will take the bet! I say she will sign both (being an optimist).

Rusty Young Man · Apr 23, 2014

FreeInAZ said:
I will take the bet! I say she will sign both (being an optimist).

A Freedom-loving armed citizen, OCer, AND an optimist; you're part of an endangered

p) species, my friend. You're on!

The Trickster · Apr 24, 2014

FreeInAZ said:
You do understand that Gov. Brewer is a REPUBLICAN? She vetoed constitutional carry in 2010. The only way it passed was by a veto over-ride of the legislature, IIRC?

I moved here from metro Detroit! Guess what - it is perfectly legal to carry in public buildings openly(no permit needed) or concealed(with permit) Has been for years now. Guess what? No blood in the streets from law-abiding gun carriers. AZ has many great gun laws (Human rights laws) on the books, but this veto should be a strong indicator of just how out of touch our Governor is with the peoples' will!

What does any of this have to do with my subsequent comment concerning my irritation of the vetoed bills?

The Trickster · Apr 24, 2014

Correct me if I am wrong, but Brewer's time is up after her current term, right?

azcdlfred · Apr 24, 2014

Rusty Young Man said:
It's time to replace her.

Brewer is term limited out. We'll have a new governor next year. Who it is depends on how many alleged conservatives can get off their lazy asses and vote.

Fred

FreeInAZ · Apr 24, 2014

The Trickster said:
What does any of this have to do with my subsequent comment concerning my irritation of the vetoed bills?

You made reference to liberals. I was simply pointing out that even those in the republican ranks can be on the side of oppression. To me, gun rights = human rights. The moment one attempts to strip their protective uses by lawful citizens, they tread in the midst of tyranny.

We need politicians that do the peoples will, not ones that are interested in making the people do their will. Just my honest opinion. YMMV.

azcdlfred · Apr 24, 2014

FreeInAZ said:
You do understand that Gov. Brewer is a REPUBLICAN? She vetoed constitutional carry in 2010. The only way it passed was by a veto over-ride of the legislature, IIRC?

Sorry, you go that one completely wrong. There was no veto and there was no veto override. For the 9 years I've been involved in the legislative process, I cannot recall a single veto override of any gun bill.

In 2010, Brewer was appointed as Governor when Napolitano was picked by 0bama to run the Gestapo. Since she was running for Governor, Brewer was friendly to gun bills and signed Constitutional Carry. It was a "perfect storm" kind of thing. After years of battling Napolitano, we went for the Full Monty. We barely managed to get it through the legislature (it was tough - we almost lost it a couple of times) and to Brewer's desk but she signed it. History was made.

Once she got elected we got the word that she was done signing pro-gun bills. It's been an uphill battle ever since, with her acolytes in the legislature doing everything possible to prevent good gun bills from seeing the light of day. But we kept getting bills to her desk every year, forcing her to publically show her position by vetoing them.

We'll have a new Governor next year. Who it is depends whether alleged conservatives can get off their asses and make sure the right person is elected. But, since it seems like most conservatives would rather whine than act, I'm not holding my breath.

Fred

The Trickster · Apr 24, 2014

FreeInAZ said:
You made reference to liberals. I was simply pointing out that even those in the republican ranks can be on the side of oppression. To me, gun rights = human rights. The moment one attempts to strip their protective uses by lawful citizens, they tread in the midst of tyranny.

We need politicians that do the peoples will, not ones that are interested in making the people do their will. Just my honest opinion. YMMV.

Can't argue with that; I'm just used to the majority of people who have problems with guns being liberals from California or somewhere back east. I don't think Brewer has a problem with guns so much as her motives are just political in nature - playing both ends if you will.

The Trickster · Apr 24, 2014

azcdlfred said:
Sorry, you go that one completely wrong. There was no veto and there was no veto override. For the 9 years I've been involved in the legislative process, I cannot recall a single veto override of any gun bill.

In 2010, Brewer was appointed as Governor when Napolitano was picked by 0bama to run the Gestapo. Since she was running for Governor, Brewer was friendly to gun bills and signed Constitutional Carry. It was a "perfect storm" kind of thing. After years of battling Napolitano, we went for the Full Monty. We barely managed to get it through the legislature (it was tough - we almost lost it a couple of times) and to Brewer's desk but she signed it. History was made.

Once she got elected we got the word that she was done signing pro-gun bills. It's been an uphill battle ever since, with her acolytes in the legislature doing everything possible to prevent good gun bills from seeing the light of day. But we kept getting bills to her desk every year, forcing her to publically show her position by vetoing them.

We'll have a new Governor next year. Who it is depends whether alleged conservatives can get off their asses and make sure the right person is elected. But, since it seems like most conservatives would rather whine than act, I'm not holding my breath.

Fred

Very well put. If more people would get off their ass and take 30 seconds to add their information to a PRE-WRITTEN letter, an additional bill may pass the muster of all the BS.

FreeInAZ · Apr 25, 2014

Thanks to Fred. Getting old...my memory sucks these days.

azcdlfred · Apr 25, 2014

The Trickster said:
If more people would get off their ass and take 30 seconds to add their information to a PRE-WRITTEN letter, an additional bill may pass the muster of all the BS.

With our Legislative Action Center I'm able to see how much action our prepared letters get and who actually sends out our letters.

It's very sobering to see how apathetic gun owners are. The overwhelming majority won't lift a finger to restore or protect their rights, but they love to scream about what everyone else "oughta, wanna, shoulda" do for them.

I'm willing to bet that most of those on this forum never sent a single letter to their legislator or the governor this session. :banghead:

Fred

azcdlfred · Apr 25, 2014

FreeInAZ said:
Thanks to Fred. Getting old...my memory sucks these days.

After the way she's treated gun owners for the last 4 years, it's easy to assume that she would have never signed Constitutional Carry.

Fred

Rusty Young Man · Apr 27, 2014

Rusty Young Man said:
Two bills left. Anyone up for a little wager?
While she will probably sign SB 1366, I predict she'll veto HB 2535 and give some half-@ssed excuse for doing so. Any takers? Loser buys a sandwich at the Hero Factory. I hope I lose this bet though.

SB 1366
Summary: SB 1366 seeks to clarify the definition of a firearm and its application to the unlawful discharge statutes in the Arizona Revised Statutes.
This is the "expanding gas" vs "explosive" definition of firearms bill.

HB 2535
Summary: HB 2535 would facilitate transfers of NFA (National Firearms Act) registered firearms by requiring local law enforcement to sign the required certification on legitimate transfers within 15 days after receiving a request to do so.

P.S.: Don't worry, I still haven't forgotten about the sandwich I owe one of our regulars on this thread.

FreeInAZ said:
I will take the bet! I say she will sign both (being an optimist).

Rusty Young Man said:
A Freedom-loving armed citizen, OCer, AND an optimist; you're part of an endangered p) species, my friend. You're on!

Okay, so Governor Brewer vetoed SB 1366 (surprised me, but not part of the bet), yet she signed HB 2535, meaning I was wrong and lost our little wager (her signing both bills would just have been icing on the cake, and would be rubbing it in).
Guess I now owe you TWO sandwiches.
This is the reason I should never go to a casino in Las Vegas.

@ AzCDLFred: Sorry this session didn't go as well as it should have. Thanks for the work you've put in, it really helps to see someone not be easily discouraged by the lack of mobilization.

Let me know if I can be of help during the summer (can't promise fixed times during the school year, unfortunately). Maybe helping with the webpage, inputting the candidates' responses to questions regarding citizen Freedoms and Rights? It could really help people make a more informed decision at the ballot box (or by mail:banghead

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