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    GUN FIRST BUY (buy back)

    i said first buy. because it can not be a buy back.

    but here will be one in Winston-salem tomorrow Sat the 12th

    http://www.cityofws.org/home-center/gun-buy-back

    i hope many of you will show up and "buy back" as many guns as possible
    Luke 22:36 ; 36Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

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    i you call a CHP a CCW then you are really stupid. period.

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    Wow... I'm missing a range meet and a gun buy back this weekend... Seems I chose the wrong date to travel.
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    With only $10,000 available, it seems they don't expect to be overrun with turn-ins.

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    I'm planning to go with a friend. Money is tight for me, so I doubt I will be a buyer, but my buddy is hoping to get a shotgun. There is a city park across the street from the buyback location & a sidewalk runs the length of the street, so no worries about being accused of trespassing on private property

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    OK, so who went, and what went on?

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    It was a bust. We arrived at 8:55. From 3 different entrances into the neighborhood, cars were lined up for the event & officers were approaching the vehicles. The first words out of the officer's mouth were "We're all out of money." This was 5 minutes before the scheduled start time. The officer was insistent that they don't want anyone getting out of their vehicles. I explained our intent & my interpretation of the law in that we would not be doing anything illegal. The cop was polite, but admitted point-blank that they don't want other people taking the guns that are being brought here.

    I appealed to him, "Look - y'all are out of money & it's obvious that there are lots more people here with guns they don't want. I ain't here to cause trouble. To the best of my knowledge there's nothing illegal about what I intend to do. I just figure maybe there's some blue haired old lady with her husband's old WWII 1911 or service revolver who doesn't know what she's got & doesn't want it anymore. I'm a gun owner. I have no criminal record. I like guns and I like bargains. I'd love to give a good home to an unwanted gun or two."

    He called his supervisor over. I went through the same thing with him. He asked if I am a dealer (no). Eventually he agreed that we could stand on the corner and attempt to purchase from the folks who were showing up, "since you have a permit."

    Me: "Huh? Permit?"
    Supervisor: "You do have a solicitation permit, right?"
    Me: "No. Never heard of such a thing."
    Supervisor: "In Winston Salem you have to have a solicitation permit in order to stand on public property in attempt to buy/sell."
    Me: "Nice." [sarcasm]

    That ended it for us. That neighborhood was crawling with cops. I didn't drive there to get arrested for failing to have a solicitation permit. I Googled it - WSPD *does* arrest folks for violating this law. The permit does exist.

    I figure since this is the 3rd such event the city has held in the last year, and since this one was such a smashing success (in their view), there's bound to be another one. So next time when my buddy & I show up we will have permits to solicit.

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    Thanks for the report Ruger.

    Sounds like a "bait and switch" was pulled: Advertise the reimbursement, and then claim there is no money, but still take the guns.

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    I had the same thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bc.cruiser View Post
    Thanks for the report Ruger. Sounds like a "bait and switch" was pulled: Advertise the reimbursement, and then claim there is no money, but still take the guns.
    ... still take the ID's and LPN?
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    The permit does not apply to buying, only selling, it appears.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruger View Post
    I had the same thought.

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    Here is the article that I wrote using "Ruger"'s account.

    http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2014/04...buyers-at.html

    From the Winston Salem code:

    Every itinerant salesman or merchant who shall expose for sale, either on the street or in a house rented temporarily for that purpose, or from railroad cars, any goods, wares or merchandise, bankrupt stock or fire stock, not being a regular merchant in the city, shall apply for in advance and procure a city license from the revenue collector for the privilege of transacting such business.
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    Lol! Solicitation Permit sounds like "Hooker License"!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruger View Post
    It was a bust.
    He called his supervisor over. I went through the same thing with him. He asked if I am a dealer (no). Eventually he agreed that we could stand on the corner and attempt to purchase from the folks who were showing up, "since you have a permit."
    I figure since this is the 3rd such event the city has held in the last year, and since this one was such a smashing success (in their view), there's bound to be another one. So next time when my buddy & I show up we will have permits to solicit.
    Sorry it did not work out. There is no telling as to what treasures were on the ground that day.
    mayor macgrimm of seattle fame attempted this after the last "buy back" in seattle. We were EVERYWHERE during the BB fiasco and we saved some great weapons. When macgrimm said he was going to "ban " us from buying, I applied for an received a "vendors license" for a paltry thirty bucks. My attempted preemptive strike was moot as macgrimm did not get reelected and we will not be seeing another sale soon.
    Good luck on the next one for you.
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    I would like to keep an eye on this. if any of you hear about a government gun buy let us know.

    if nothing else we could hold up signs in protest

    i find the "solicitation law" curious does any one have a cite for it
    Luke 22:36 ; 36Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

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    i you call a CHP a CCW then you are really stupid. period.

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    It is cited in the article ccwinstructor linked to.

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    I suspect that the restrictions placed on you under color of law are actionable

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruger View Post
    It is cited in the article ccwinstructor linked to.

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    According to what I read, the police supervisor violated your rights of assembly and free speech under color of law. I do not know how many witnesses you had. I suspect at least the regular police officer as well as you and the supervisor. If there are any others, i might be wise to obtain written statements from them before the memory starts to fade.

    This could easily be a multi thousand dollar settlement, because it is so clear cut. At a minimum, retraining of the officers is necessary.

    You might find an attorney to take this. It is very clear. You are out your time and travel expenses, as well as your ability to make a political statement, because I believe that the desire here was to suppress the thought that guns are valued items, protected by the Constitution.

    If I come across others who may also have been victimized, I will attempt to put them in touch with you.
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    well they did take $$ out for snacks, right?

    http://www.pharmacyowners.com/Portal...are-right.jpeg

    Sounds like scammers to me ... did they have a license?
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    http://www.pharmacyowners.com/Portal...are-right.jpeg

    Sounds like scammers to me ... did they have a license?
    They're conducting the buyback under the authority of the city council. The city government doesn't have to apply to itself for a permit. (???)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruger View Post
    They're conducting the buyback under the authority of the city council. The city government doesn't have to apply to itself for a permit. (???)

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    Maybe just a point to push .. anyway the guys there were looking to purchase for non-commercial reasons .. no need for permit.
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    sorry, ruger, et al., as you discerned you'll got lied to...the statute(s) 34-23 cited pertain specifically to individuals (peddlers, if you will) who are 'SELLING' whether it be as an itinerate or pan handler who 'SELLS' merchandise or collect alms in the case of the pan handler on the city's byways or other public sites.

    and to qualify for the privilege license, you must be a resident for the preceding 12 months (34-23(e)).

    the question raised by the officer of you being a dealer is an interesting one since 14-402(a) states you must have either a PPP (i) or CHP (ii) and i wonder if a FFL would have been given wider latitude by the police.

    again the police are not SELLING, they are buying...you would have to look at the pawn shop ordinances and because the pawn shop only 'holds a customer's property as collateral not sure the buy back pgm is the same.

    recommend a foia query to see if a report or video of your encounter was made
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruger View Post
    They're conducting the buyback under the authority of the city council. The city government doesn't have to apply to itself for a permit. (???)
    Nor execute a Firearms Transaction Record ATF Form 4473 though the city is arguably dealing commercially in guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Nor execute a Firearms Transaction Record ATF Form 4473 though the city is arguably dealing commercially in guns.
    sorry the 4473 is required for use by an FFL for the sale of firearms and i presume the city is considered a private entity while buying firearms.

    my query concerns who oversees the overseers to assure the firearms are appropriately disposed of and what NC statute are the good city/county LEs going to follow since the firearms were not 'confiscated' per se from the bad guys? wonder if FOIA would apply to ascertain the specifics about the collection and disposal?

    also of interest, is 14-63.1, Sale, disposal, and destruction of firearms. specifically (d) which allows the dept of admin to sell surplus weapons to FFLs? yes these are city LEs so they might not fall under the state's statute purview...

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    interestingly, while possibly noted previously, WS ordinance 38-10 (c) states it is unlawful for any person to posses or open carry any handgun, gun, rifle, pistol or other firearm on or in any city-owned or operated park, parking area, building, included the appurtenant premises, grounds or parking areas of those building regardless of whether such city-owned or operated property is within or outside the corporate limits.

    not sure what outside the corporate limits truly entails but wouldn't that would cover the rest of the world?

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    from what i read of the regulation. it appears to be addressing "selling", not buying.

    thanks for the cite CCWINSTRUCTOR

    anybody have more on this.

    SOLUS, i think that law is what they use to make cemetery and libraries Defenseless zones. i think the state pre-emps the no carry rule.
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    i you call a CHP a CCW then you are really stupid. period.

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    i ran across this write up on "Ammoland"

    http://www.ammoland.com/2014/04/did-...comment-245499
    Luke 22:36 ; 36Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

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    i you call a CHP a CCW then you are really stupid. period.

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    Hindsight is 20/20. I wish now that I had the voice recorder on my phone running. Without a recording its just my word (and my friend's) against theirs. I was anticipating unwanted police interaction at some point during the trip, just not as soon as I turned onto the street where the event was being held. I wasn't about to start fumbling around for my phone at that point. If there is a next time I will be better prepared.

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