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DUI checkpoints are cash cows for cities and their crony businessnes
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countryclubjoe
Regular Member
They are having fun due to the fact that they are receiving over time pay for their nazi check points.
More intrusion on the tax payers...
Their argument is, if we save one life tonight due to our nazi check point then hey so what if a few law abiding sober citizens are detained and asked to produce documents... " public safety" situation...
The problem is that some citizen that is sober and on his/her way to their job may have simply left his wallet or insurance card at home, They lay a net to catch the big fish however many small fish get trapped in the net..
Best course of action clearly is do not drink and drive. When trapped in a dui nazi check point simply be polite and ask for an attorney.
Onus, thanks for posting..
Regards
CCJ
More intrusion on the tax payers...
Their argument is, if we save one life tonight due to our nazi check point then hey so what if a few law abiding sober citizens are detained and asked to produce documents... " public safety" situation...
The problem is that some citizen that is sober and on his/her way to their job may have simply left his wallet or insurance card at home, They lay a net to catch the big fish however many small fish get trapped in the net..
Best course of action clearly is do not drink and drive. When trapped in a dui nazi check point simply be polite and ask for an attorney.
Onus, thanks for posting..
Regards
CCJ
Interesting side bit.....me and my buddy spoke with the motorcycle cops all night and filmed them pulling over cars that avoided the checkpoint. Not a single car that avoided the checkpoint was drunk or drinking. They simply didn't want to be inconvenienced by the checkpoint.
The police and many in the public think all opposition to checkpoints is from drunk drivers.
Its just not true.
The majority of people don't like being treated as a criminal for just driving down the road.
We don't like to sit in traffic for 30 minutes and forced to show papers and answer personal questions about our lives to strange men with guns.
Some of us even disagree that they are constitutional. In fact, 3 very wise and intelligent supreme court justices said they were unconstitutional.
Many legal scholars believe that if todays court heard Michigan vs Sitz that they would overturn it 5-4.
The police and many in the public think all opposition to checkpoints is from drunk drivers.
Its just not true.
The majority of people don't like being treated as a criminal for just driving down the road.
We don't like to sit in traffic for 30 minutes and forced to show papers and answer personal questions about our lives to strange men with guns.
Some of us even disagree that they are constitutional. In fact, 3 very wise and intelligent supreme court justices said they were unconstitutional.
Many legal scholars believe that if todays court heard Michigan vs Sitz that they would overturn it 5-4.
countryclubjoe
Regular Member
Indeed.
Most drunk drivers have no clue that they are in a nazi DUI check point. LOL
Clearly these nazi check points are more about generating revenue and applying for Federal grants etc, then they are about getting drunks off the streets..
I would also be curious to the number of bars and restaurants in the general vicinity.. I did see a donut shop there in the background... LOL
My .02
CCJ
stealthyeliminator
Regular Member
DUI checkpoints are the new speed traps? I know they still have speed traps... But... I feel like monetization of speed traps has been so openly and publicly opposed perhaps they've moved on to something with a better cover story.
countryclubjoe
Regular Member
In Sitz the justices determined that citizens were only detained for about 25 seconds on average... Not sure how they arrived at that amount of time.
126 motorist were stopped and only 3 were charged with a dui... Interesting in that the courts also ruled any other violations other then the dui itself would then be a violation of the 4th... The problem is that most folks being detained do not know their rights and the local PD simply take full advantage of the detainees lack thereof.. Interesting that the 5th A was never mentioned. Clearly ordering someone to take a field sobriety test whether they are drunk or sober is a violation of the 5th, unless of course the citizen fails to invoke that right... Hence I say, reserve all your rights under the Constitution at all times when encountering a government official, know your rights and make the revenue police look like the bad guy and remember, Never Drink and Drive..
My .02
Regards.
CCJ
126 motorist were stopped and only 3 were charged with a dui... Interesting in that the courts also ruled any other violations other then the dui itself would then be a violation of the 4th... The problem is that most folks being detained do not know their rights and the local PD simply take full advantage of the detainees lack thereof.. Interesting that the 5th A was never mentioned. Clearly ordering someone to take a field sobriety test whether they are drunk or sober is a violation of the 5th, unless of course the citizen fails to invoke that right... Hence I say, reserve all your rights under the Constitution at all times when encountering a government official, know your rights and make the revenue police look like the bad guy and remember, Never Drink and Drive..
My .02
Regards.
CCJ
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At this checkpoint over 3,000 cars were stopped and only 3 arrests for DUI (not convictions).
The real reason for these checkpoints is the tow fees, impound fees and fines and overtime for officers.
Previous checkpoints in this city have brought in an average of $55,000 for the city, not including overtime pay for officers.
The real reason for these checkpoints is the tow fees, impound fees and fines and overtime for officers.
Previous checkpoints in this city have brought in an average of $55,000 for the city, not including overtime pay for officers.
stealthyeliminator
Regular Member
I don't get it - I thought that in order to pull someone over that has "avoided" a checkpoint they had to have committed a real traffic violation in the process of avoiding the checkpoint.
What is the probable cause for the stop? Avoiding a checkpoint of course is not probable cause that the person is drunk driving, or committing any other crime.
Why love Hawthorn police? **** any agency which conducts these sort of checkpoints...
What is the probable cause for the stop? Avoiding a checkpoint of course is not probable cause that the person is drunk driving, or committing any other crime.
Why love Hawthorn police? **** any agency which conducts these sort of checkpoints...
If you watch the video you can see the cars do in fact commit traffic violations. They would often go pass the parking lot and then reverse, come back and then pull into the lot. Sometimes they would make turns from two lanes over.
I watched and filmed the stops and the cars did commit violations of CA vehicle code.
In fairness to the police, the drivers were not cited if they had a valid DL and showed no signs of intoxication.
stealthyeliminator
Regular Member
I believe I saw a vehicle turn into the parking lot without passing it and reversing, and by turning from the proper lane. The police officer watched the vehicle to determine whether the vehicle was going to one of the businesses there, or just going out the other side of the lot. As soon as he realized they were going out the other side of the lot, he went to go pull them over. They committed no traffic violation, they only avoided the checkpoint.
OC for ME
Regular Member
What law makes it unlawful to avoid a checkpoint?
OC Freedom
Regular Member
Just one more of the many reasons I live in Idaho, DUI checkpoints are verboten.
As mentioned, there isn't one.
But there are so many traffic laws, they need only watch you for a few minutes before finding a "legitimate" reason to stop and detain you. In many cases of avoiding the checkpoint, someone will do an illegal u-turn, cross too many lanes, or use a parking lot to avoid traffic control.
SpringerXDacp
New member
In the video at 00:37 you can see a no right turn sign attached to a barricade just before the entrance to the parking lot. In Cali, police placing such a temporary sign makes it a traffic violation (RAS) by simply turning into the parking lot?
They are illegal in NV, too, so they do them anyway but call them "administrative roadblocks" in all official paperwork. But they still call it a DUI checkpoint, brazenly, in open conversation, and they routinely violate state laws on how they must be signed and set up in order to eliminate the possibility of people avoiding them.
Because of this, what very few actual drunks who get caught in them are quickly contacted by lawyers and get off. The state and the lawyer get money. Guess why the lawyers don't tell the LEOs they are violating the law?
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stealthyeliminator
Regular Member
I was under the impression that they had requirements (a mention of requirements is made [strike]below[/strike]above) such as to essentially offer a way to turn away from the checkpoint and avoid it - this was the only way for it to be "constitutional"
I could be mistaken
But, if I'm not mistaken, I'm not surprised to hear that many police are in violation of the court-mandated requirements either ignorantly or intentionally.
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davidmcbeth
Banned
I don't think attached to a barricade meets the requirements of the MUTCD..
If No Right Turn (R3-1) signs (see Figure 2B-4) are used, at least one should be placed either over the
roadway or at a right-hand corner of the intersection.
,,,,,,,,,,,,http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/pdfs/2009r1r2/mutcd2009r1r2edition.pdf
I would ignore no turn signs on barricades.
rightwinglibertarian
Regular Member
Easy enough to deal with these.
"Am I being detained officer?*
if no, drive off. If you get a yes require a specific, lawful reason. Of course chances are it won't be easy as in the linked video but it will work if you stand your ground
http://youtu.be/yEjmfKJvMP4?t=2m11s
Actually I would have driven off as soon as she had said not being detained and cut out the rest of that nonsense
"Am I being detained officer?*
if no, drive off. If you get a yes require a specific, lawful reason. Of course chances are it won't be easy as in the linked video but it will work if you stand your ground
http://youtu.be/yEjmfKJvMP4?t=2m11s
Actually I would have driven off as soon as she had said not being detained and cut out the rest of that nonsense
OC Freedom
Regular Member
I am not surprised. I have not heard of any DUI checkpoints (under a different name) or any other type of checkpoint happening in Idaho and I hope it stays that way.
DocWalker
Regular Member
Or they will just make it up...."I seen you weaving" or "your tire touched the line"....ect.