steve, you are correct, the presentations are corny at best but their long distance shooting practices and materials are quite impressive for showing results in a short period of time.
i had the pleasure to take my appleseed weekend experience with Fred, one of the founders, in attendance and the best way to describe his approach to the presentations made an impression. I have discerned some of the appleseed key players across the country lack the passion Fred has for presenting the information.
don't tread on me, ideology differences notwithstanding, sometimes, like school, you have to endure the bad subjects to get to the good ones...
enjoy your weekend
wabbit