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    SCOTUS weighs appeal to concealed-carry gun laws, Drake v. Jerejian today Fri 18 Apr.

    "This latest case involves John Drake, who runs a Sussex County business that owns and services ATMs, as well as other plaintiffs. Mr. Drake applied for a handgun permit from New Jersey in 2010 but was rejected on the grounds that he did not have a “justifiable need” to carry one.
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    But John J. Hoffman, acting attorney general of New Jersey, said in a brief that the San Diego law is materially different from New Jersey’s and that the 3rd Circuit appeals court has already concluded “that New Jersey’s justifiable need standard is a longstanding, presumptively lawful regulation that operates as an exception to the Second Amendment.”

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...led-carry-gun/

    http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files...ke-v-jerejian/

    Attorneys for Petitioners: Alan Gura, Gura & Possessky, PLLC Counsel of Record

    http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.a...les/13-827.htm
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    Alan Gura was the attorney for Dick Heller in Heller vs D.C.

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    I would be surprised if the court takes that case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by washingtontimes
    3rd Circuit appeals court has already concluded “that New Jersey’s justifiable need standard is a longstanding, presumptively lawful regulation that operates as an exception to the Second Amendment.”
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...led-carry-gun/

    "exception" from the second amendment? wow.

    When do we hear if SCOTUS decided to take this case? By end of day?
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    Still holding for an accept or deny.

    Quote Originally Posted by constitutioncenter.org
    The case of Drake v. Jerejian was expected to be heard in private conference by the nine Justices last Friday. Orders were issued today and the Drake case wasn’t among those cases denied or accepted by the Court.
    http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2...n-rights-case/
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    Quote Originally Posted by cirrusly View Post
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...led-carry-gun/

    "exception" from the second amendment? wow.

    When do we hear if SCOTUS decided to take this case? By end of day?
    I don't think you need a bunch of old folks in DC telling you the law is wrong ... correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    I don't think you need a bunch of old folks in DC telling you the law is wrong ... correct?
    Apparently the judges with juris doctorates in New Jersey do.


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    Quote Originally Posted by guns.com
    A decision on hearing a long-standing gun case backed by the National Rifle Association, 19 states and 34 congressmen has been pushed back by the Supreme Court to Friday ... We should know Friday.
    http://www.guns.com/2014/04/21/supre...tant-gun-case/


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    Quote Originally Posted by cirrusly View Post
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    Thx for the update ... waiting until the 25th .... my guess? They won't here it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JTHunter View Post
    ???
    Sorry professor, its hair not here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Sorry professor, its hair not here.
    What about 'hear'?
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    Cummon, just ignore the trolling for homophones - unless you are one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Cummon, just ignore the trolling for homophones - unless you are one.
    Geesshhh! Can we not have a little bit of fun? I bet you'd kick the cane out from under your grandmother and tell he stand up straight and walk!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redbaron007 View Post
    What about 'hear'?
    Or "hair" .. a different hair

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    Today we will know.... Fingers crossed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Or "hair" .. a different hair
    That is phonetically correct................in Mississippi.

    Quote Originally Posted by youngck View Post
    Alan Gura was the attorney for Dick Heller in Heller vs D.C.
    I thought I recognized that name. Good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SCOTUSBlog
    On Monday at 9:30 a.m. we expect orders from the April 25 Conference. We will report on the orders as soon as they become available. On Tuesday we expect one or more opinions in argued cases; we will begin live blogging at 9:45 a.m.
    http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files...ke-v-jerejian/
    Should have the orders of the Friday conference in 2 hours.
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    Rescheduled again. This is not terrible. At least it wasn't Declined.

    Quote Originally Posted by SupremeCourt.gov
    Apr 28 2014 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of May 2, 2014.
    http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.a...les/13-827.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by cirrusly View Post
    Apparently the judges with juris doctorates in New Jersey do.
    With half of the Supreme Court disagreeing with the other half on relatively simple, straightforward issues, that tells me all their degrees and legal experience don't amount to an anthill of beans if they can't understand and agree on something as simple and straightforward as, "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

    I like R.A. Heinlein's fictional idea about a nationwide revolt against lawyers.
    The First protects the Second, and the Second protects the First. Together, they protect the rest of our Bill of Rights and our United States Constitution, and help We the People protect ourselves in the spirit of our Declaration of Independence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post
    With half of the Supreme Court disagreeing with the other half on relatively simple, straightforward issues, that tells me all their degrees and legal experience don't amount to an anthill of beans if they can't understand and agree on something as simple and straightforward as, "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

    I like R.A. Heinlein's fictional idea about a nationwide revolt against lawyers.
    If you put a bunch of lawyers in the room but tell them all they need to do to get out and get food and drink is to all agree to turn the doorknob counterclockwise you would find them all dead in a week because they cannot all decide on what is a doorknob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    If you put a bunch of lawyers in the room but tell them all they need to do to get out and get food and drink is to all agree to turn the doorknob counterclockwise you would find them all dead in a week because they cannot all decide on what is a doorknob.
    +1

    I think the revolt against lawyers actually was held a long time ago, the original 13th Amendment that has been languishing thru ratification for 200+ years. While they don't mention it in this article, as I understand it the intial empetus to its creation was the 2nd or later Congress having a large portion of lawyers who lobied to rejoin the English Empire. At the time all lawyers were under the English bar system and granted the title Esquire upon passing the bar, so the Amendment was intended to deny them citizenship (here the story differs as i originally heard it barred them from holding office but not expatriated).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titles_...lity_Amendment

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    Emily Miller chimes in on Drake....

    http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/2541748...urt-drake-case
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    Unconfirmed: Saw in the live public blog steam on SCOTUSBlog.org that Drake v. Jerejian was denied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cirrusly View Post
    Unconfirmed: Saw in the live public blog steam on SCOTUSBlog.org that Drake v. Jerejian was denied.
    In my opinion, I think that the reluctance of the court to take a carry case has more to do with internal court politics than with the merits of any of the cases considered.

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