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    Cliven Bundy is a Racist.....

    ...so that means the federal government is right and the federal government is good.

    Racists don't have constitutional rights. Racists cant be victims of government abuse.

    I predict support for Bundy is going to plummet and the government will seize this opportunity.

    Chock this one up as a loss.

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    How long before the GOP spinsters over at Fox News put forward the theory of Bundy being a "plant" of the Dems? They've been plotting this for 20 years, allowing him free access to Federal land to graze his cattle. In return, all he need do is get together with a few militia members, threaten to shoot up some federal agents, boss around the local sheriff, wait for the conservative talking heads and far right, anti-gov politicians to back him and...BOOM! blow them all up with a racist-sounding remark and make them all look foolish! Another perfect plan dreamed up by the always-one-step-ahead (that's why the label, "progressive") Democrats and liberal elites who actually control this great nation we call "mer'ca"! Brilliant!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebobby View Post
    How long before the GOP spinsters over at Fox News put forward the theory of Bundy being a "plant" of the Dems? They've been plotting this for 20 years, allowing him free access to Federal land to graze his cattle. In return, all he need do is get together with a few militia members, threaten to shoot up some federal agents, boss around the local sheriff, wait for the conservative talking heads and far right, anti-gov politicians to back him and...BOOM! blow them all up with a racist-sounding remark and make them all look foolish! Another perfect plan dreamed up by the always-one-step-ahead (that's why the label, "progressive") Democrats and liberal elites who actually control this great nation we call "mer'ca"! Brilliant!!
    Well I guess if they do they will be second to YOU putting forward the theory.....

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    Since I have not caught up with this new twist in the news, how about a citation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by onus View Post
    Well I guess if they do they will be second to YOU putting forward the theory.....
    It's preemptive conspiracy theorizing. Even Fox gave it a small byline on their main page.
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...cmp=latestnews

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    While some find his remarks offensive, the fact is statistics back up his remarks. He could have left out the picking cotton remark, or slavery, but because of the war on poverty those in certain groups have more poverty, and other problems than they did before. It is like those slimeballs who follow people around until they get the response they are looking for to make some money off of a lawsuit, it is not limited to color, but AA seem to suffer the most from this form of government.

    His remarks are also the same remarks made by Bill Cosby.
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    Hey, works for me, but then I am a racistbigotcrackerhomophobebirther; Oh, and HATER. MOLON LABE puppy-mommy
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    Besides since when did the Constitution and the BOR only apply to the politically correct?
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    Yeah, nothing but a defamation campaign because they've failed on every other front to present a worthwhile argument. Ad hominem as a last resort. Well, maybe not LAST resort, but certainly after realizing there is nothing legitimate to use.
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    Did he say something offensive? I did not hear anything offensive to the 1st amendment ~ and that's my yardstick.

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    What Cliven Bundy said was the truth. It just wasn't sugar coated.


    Just as much the truth as when Harry Reid said Obama had a good shot at being Pres. because he is a "light skinned black with no African American dialect, unless he wants to have one"


    Black culture in the US today would make MLK, Frederick Douglas, Malcolm X, etc. TURN IN THEIR GRAVES.


    Crime rates during the 1930s were lower in black neighborhoods than white ones.

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    I am surprised that they didn't mention drugs and child porn also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff. State View Post
    Crime rates during the 1930s were lower in black neighborhoods than white ones.
    The fact that the war on drugs didn't exist then, could have a whole lot to do with that. If we need further proof that it's a string of terrible policies, we need look no further than the variance in inner-city crime rates, since it was kicked into high gear.
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    What I saw is that the guy should have left as soon as the female LEO told him that he was not being detained, which happened early on in the video. That and cleaning up his mouth would have served him best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy View Post
    What I saw is that the guy should have left as soon as the female LEO told him that he was not being detained, which happened early on in the video. That and cleaning up his mouth would have served him best.
    Did you mean to be commenting on the video from Calif. - would seem so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    Besides since when did the Constitution and the BOR only apply to the politically correct?

    You don't get to invoke those two FEDERAL Documents anymore...to you, the Federal Government ought not exist.

    Bundy is a Racist...no surprise he is a tea party type. We all know there aren't any Racists in the tea party 2.0

    The Federal Government has the Constitutional Authority, Legitimacy, POWER, and Might, to quail this insurrection; this town is being Occupied by vocal, sworn Enemies of the Federal Government; American Citizens are being put at risk by these armed 'militia' thugs, and their not-Legal occupation of the American Peoples Land.--President Obama, put the pedal to the metal!
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    While some find his remarks offensive, the fact is statistics back up his remarks. He could have left out the picking cotton remark, or slavery, but because of the war on poverty those in certain groups have more poverty, and other problems than they did before. It is like those slimeballs who follow people around until they get the response they are looking for to make some money off of a lawsuit, it is not limited to color, but AA seem to suffer the most from this form of government.

    His remarks are also the same remarks made by Bill Cosby.
    Yeah, the main failure is the comparison to slavery. Slavery was none too kind to "the black family", or black prosperity, or anything else good for blacks.

    But I do think it's fair to point out that there is certainly a subset of American culture which has become dependent, and that in general members of this group tend to be worse off than they were before such dependency was common (say, in the middle portion of the 20th century), and that there is a strong correlation between being poor and being dependent (and therefore belonging to a culture of dependency), and a disproportionate correlation between being black and being poor.

    But it's not limited to blacks, of course. Whites, and members of any other race, can fall into the same trap of dependency. And the worst part is it's hard to argue that the immediate removal of subsidy makes any one dependent's life better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    You don't get to invoke those two FEDERAL Documents anymore...to you, the Federal Government ought not exist.

    Bundy is a Racist...no surprise he is a tea party type. We all know there aren't any Racists in the tea party 2.0

    The Federal Government has the Constitutional Authority, Legitimacy, POWER, and Might, to quail this insurrection; this town is being Occupied by vocal, sworn Enemies of the Federal Government; American Citizens are being put at risk by these armed 'militia' thugs, and their not-Legal occupation of the American Peoples Land.--President Obama, put the pedal to the metal!
    I will invoke the Constitution with or without your ridiculous assertion. Don't like it? Go pound sand!
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    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post
    Yeah, the main failure is the comparison to slavery. Slavery was none too kind to "the black family", or black prosperity, or anything else good for blacks.

    But I do think it's fair to point out that there is certainly a subset of American culture which has become dependent, and that in general members of this group tend to be worse off than they were before such dependency was common (say, in the early part of the 20th century), and that there is a strong correlation between being poor and belonging to that cultural subset, and a disproportionate correlation between being black and being poor.

    But it's not strictly a black thing, of course. Whites, and members of any other race, can fall into the same trap of dependency.

    Does Institutional Racism exist in your world... Basically, you just described it in your second line...obviously scooting around it.

    You just said that Blacks are worse off now than they were before Social Services. Before Social Services Black males were Lynched, Legally; Blacks were Slaves; Could not Vote; Could not own Property; could not eat at a White restaurant; get medical help at a White hospital. You're saying they were worse off then...Clyde Bundy, is that you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    I will invoke the Constitution with or without your ridiculous assertion. Don't like it? Go pound sand!

    You can invoke what you Will...it's just funny you would invoke Documents that only exist because the Federal Government exists. No Federal Government, no Federal Constitution.

    To be honest, I like watching the pro-firearm, anti-Federal Government, Republican, tea party 2.0 wing get exposure for what they really represent.


    I have said this for years: The tea party is infested with Racists...actually, all types of Bigots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    You can invoke what you Will...it's just funny you would invoke Documents that only exist because the Federal Government exists. No Federal Government, no Federal Constitution.

    To be honest, I like watching the pro-firearm, anti-Federal Government, Republican, tea party 2.0 wing get exposure for what they really represent.


    I have said this for years: The tea party is infested with Racists...actually, all types of Bigots.
    Those rights existed LONG before the federal government, and I never ever said I was against federal government, I am against a all powerful abusive federal government. Claiming otherwise is the act of a liar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    Does Institutional Racism exist in your world... Basically, you just described it in your second line...obviously scooting around it.

    You just said that Blacks are worse off now than they were before Social Services. Before Social Services Black males were Lynched, Legally; Blacks were Slaves; Could not Vote; Could not own Property; could not eat at a White restaurant; get medical help at a White hospital. You're saying they were worse off then...Clyde Bundy, is that you?
    Yes, institutional racism exists. It is still practiced extensively today, although of course it's gotten better. But I wasn't talking about race, as I made perfectly clear.

    I specifically said that what I was saying was not limited to blacks. So your cute attempt at a straw man instantly fails.

    If it was limited to blacks, you could talk about Jim Crow and lynchings all you want. (Although you'd still be attempting to conflate the existence of social services with the enfranchisement of blacks and the abolition of segregation laws, which are related only temporally.)

    But I was talking about all poor people, and I made that excruciatingly clear. Last I checked, poor whites weren't victims of lynchings during any part of the 20th century, and haven't been the victims of Jim Crow laws until very recently. They were never legally prohibited from owning property. So none of your crap sticks to what I said.

    Literally the only thing I said specific to blacks is that there is a disproportionate correlation between being black and being poor. This is an inarguable fact, and it's not racist to point it out, especially if I believe there are ample circumstantial and cultural (as opposed to, you know, "racial" AKA genetic) explanations for this fact. And the only reason I mentioned it is because it is pertinent to the thread topic.

    Furthermore, I wasn't talking about any or all "social services". I was clearly talking about individuals who have become dependent, which is not the same thing as every individual who has any received any public assistance.

    Are you even capable of having an honest discussion? I'm asking that entirely seriously. Do you twist the things I say because you're genuinely incapable of believing that I say what I mean (why do you prejudge me so? Have I ever said or done anything racist?), or because you're just a dishonest individual?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    Those rights existed LONG before the federal government, and I never ever said I was against federal government, I am against a all powerful abusive federal government. Claiming otherwise is the act of a liar.
    Before the Constitution of the United States, they existed in the United States?

    I like your broad statement; it's something I would when on the defensive.



    Most people are against an abusive Federal Government...you are obviously not referring to the U.S. Federal Government; it's not abusive.

    Those Rights existed long before...then what was the point of the Constitution, and BoR's?
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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