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    Hi, you can probably tell that my name is Austin, I live in Spokane, WA. I'm new here and in fact I am very new to fire arms in general. I've never owned a gun in my life, but, the way the world has been shaping out I feel like buying a fire arm may be necessary soon. I plan on getting my conceal carry permit as soon as I turn 21. (I'm 20 now) But I was just hoping to shed some light on my situation. I would like to know if there is anywhere is Spokane that any of you know of where I could go and learn how to shoot a pistol before that day comes and if it's even legal. I've been looking at the glock 26 gen 4 as the pistol I want to buy when the day comes. It's small and would be easy to conceal, and I hope that I would never have to show it. The point here is I feel like I should know what operating a fire arm is like before I actually settle down and get one of my own.

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    Welcome to OCDO Austin. Lots of really good people here.

    You have a very responsible approach to owning and carrying a handgun. I'm sure that some locals will chime in with recommendations for a good instructor soon - never too much training.

    Consider attending local meet-n' greets - face time with ol' hands is invaluable.

    Spend some time perusing the Washington sub-forum and absorb all that you can. Washington allows you to OC (open carry), so you have the choice to OC or CC after you get your CPL.
    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...out-Open-Carry
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    Firearms Training

    Once you have received some basic firearms training you might consider investigating the training drills identified in the NRA Winchester Marksmanship Qualification program.

    http://mqp.nra.org/

    http://mqp.nra.org/documents/pdf/edu...p/qualbook.pdf

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    Most of the places I've encountered like you to have your CPL before you take their class. Since the CPL just requires passing a background check and paying a fee, anyone can get it. Having one also lets your instructor know that you've passed a background check. If you're new to firearms, I'd recommend getting some training before you buy one. You'll want to get one that works well for you, and that is easier if you can compare them to stuff you've shot before. As for the training, Sharpshooting indoor range is at N 1200 Freya Spokane WA. My brother got some advice from them, and thought they were competent. I don't know what their prices run for training. I also know there is a group up in the DP area talking about doing a firearms intro course, probably next month. I don't know the details on it yet, I don't think there *are* many details yet. If it comes together, it'd require a valid CPL, but would probably be given at cost. Remember there is up to a 30 day wait for the CPL, 'though spokane county tends to turn it around in a couple weeks.

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    Austin,

    Welcome to the forum. I would recommend you make the drive to Post Falls to Center Target Sports and take their Basic Pistol Course. It is tailored for beginners and has a lot of good information.

    http://www.centertargetsports.com/co...course-cts-101


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    Welcome to OCDO, and thank you for considering taking your own destiny into your own hands. And not relying on government or another to do it for you. While your chances of ever being involved and having a need for a firearm are very slim, there is always a chance, albeit a small one.

    Yes the world seems to be scary place, but to be honest it always has seemed that way. In all my years I have not found it scary at all, or dangerous but I was always prepared. Kinda like keeping my car and truck in good repair, not because I was expecting an accident, but because I want to avoid an accident.

    You have gotten good advice on getting your feet wet, don't get discouraged if it takes time to get your skills honed. Relax and enjoy yourself but always keep safety as the most important part of carrying on your mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oneallaustin View Post
    I've been looking at the glock 26 gen 4 as the pistol I want to buy when the day comes. It's small and would be easy to conceal, and I hope that I would never have to show it... ..
    Welcome to OCDO Austin. You do know that the OC in OCDO is for Open Carry,eh? Most of us do.
    My Sweet Baboo carries a glock 26. It conceals well when you have to, but Lori keeps a glock 17 magazine with a grip adapter for Open Carry. look here http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/2-XGGL26-27

    Perkins...glad to see you here, been lurking for a while,eh? Welcome to OCDO.
    "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the people's liberty teeth (and) keystone... the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable... more than 99% of them by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference .When firearms go, all goes, we need them every hour." -- George Washington

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSG Laigaie View Post
    Welcome to OCDO Austin. You do know that the OC in OCDO is for Open Carry,eh? Most of us do.
    My Sweet Baboo carries a glock 26. It conceals well when you have to, but Lori keeps a glock 17 magazine with a grip adapter for Open Carry. look here http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/2-XGGL26-27

    Perkins...glad to see you here, been lurking for a while,eh? Welcome to OCDO.
    All three of our Glocks are full size, since we are open carry mostly I see no sense in mini glocks that IMO are too thick for CC. When the need to conceal comes, for the wife, she uses either a PA-63 or a JA-380. Helll she can conceal a 1911 better than any Glock except for maybe the 42. The slide on the glock is just too thick for comfortable concealment. But then others mileage may vary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oneallaustin View Post
    Hi, you can probably tell that my name is Austin, I live in Spokane, WA. I'm new here and in fact I am very new to fire arms in general. I've never owned a gun in my life, but, the way the world has been shaping out I feel like buying a fire arm may be necessary soon. I plan on getting my conceal carry permit as soon as I turn 21. (I'm 20 now) But I was just hoping to shed some light on my situation. I would like to know if there is anywhere is Spokane that any of you know of where I could go and learn how to shoot a pistol before that day comes and if it's even legal. I've been looking at the glock 26 gen 4 as the pistol I want to buy when the day comes. It's small and would be easy to conceal, and I hope that I would never have to show it. The point here is I feel like I should know what operating a fire arm is like before I actually settle down and get one of my own.
    if you have money you can actually legally purchase a handgun in Washington now if it's from a private party.

    As far as training, you should call your local shooting ranges, my local range offers a wide variety of classes throughout the year, so maybe a shooting range in the Spokane area offers classes. also another lead, occassionally instructors for Utah CCW licenses host classes in Cabelas in Lacey, so maybe you should check to see if a class is at the Cabelas in Post Falls

    I'd PM Jeff Hayes, he's on this forum under his real name, he's in your area and knows alot......

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    Most of the places I've encountered like you to have your CPL before you take their class. Since the CPL just requires passing a background check and paying a fee, anyone can get it. Having one also lets your instructor know that you've passed a background check.
    Will these classes accept a WA State Patrol WATCH check?
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    MSG, I've been around about a year and a half, found you guys when I was trying to decide if I wanted to get an open carry gun (which I did last august). EMN, I suspect a WATCH check would probably work for some of them. I notice that it specifically only reports in-state convictions; but, while the CPL application requires you to say you've not got any felony convictions out of state, I don't know if that is actually checked in the background check. The thinking behind it is that it's the same check gun stores use before you can pick a firearm up without a waiting period and covers due diligence in avoiding handing a firearm to a prohibited person. I know the Utah CPL class Sharpshooting offers requires a Wa accepted CPL, since they have you conceal during their class, you have to be able to before you start.

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    So I went to sharp today. Very informative people and were very open to me about getting into shooting and like you all have said they think I'm taking a very responsible step by wanting to take the course and explore hand guns in general. The guy I spoke to showed me a glock 26 and even let me hold it. I have to say as of now I don't think I'll be purchasing it, I'll be getting a glock but not that one. It's way to small for my hands and it when I was holding it there was like an inch of what will be my shooting hand that was not touching the gun itself. Thank you all for your help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oneallaustin View Post
    So I went to sharp today. Very informative people and were very open to me about getting into shooting and like you all have said they think I'm taking a very responsible step by wanting to take the course and explore hand guns in general. The guy I spoke to showed me a glock 26 and even let me hold it. I have to say as of now I don't think I'll be purchasing it, I'll be getting a glock but not that one. It's way to small for my hands and it when I was holding it there was like an inch of what will be my shooting hand that was not touching the gun itself. Thank you all for your help.
    Frankly, compact guns are stupid. That is, unless you concealed carry – which you shouldn't, because that's stupid too (the tactical advantages of open carry are numerous and well-documented).

    Try a full-size Glock, or better yet a Springfield XD or XDM, or best of all a 5" 1911.
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    What I've found the most important consideration to be is how well the gun fits your hand and handles for you. If the 26 doesn't fit comfortably, get something else. If you like the balance and size, but the grips are slightly too big or too small, that can be fixed with custom grips. If the grip size is way off (an inch sounds like it's way off), or you don't like the balance, best to find something else.

    I do have to disagree about compact guns and CC slightly. A Washington CPL allows for the carry of one concealed pistol, even if this is in addition to an OC firearm. Having a compact backup piece in addition to your open carry piece may well come in useful in some circumstances. Note that you can only have one of them loaded and on you in a vehicle though Also, see above about fitting comfortably. My fiancee uses a .32 top break H&R, because it fits her small hands well enough that she can control it well, and she can carry it at work without upsetting the customers and boss. True, tactically OC is superior, but at least sometimes, politically CC is. Compact guns fill that niche.
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    Concealed BUG is the exception to my general view. I don't consider it much, though, as I don't live in a state which permits me to concealed carry (well, I could ask for permission and I might, on a cold day in hell).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perkins View Post
    A Washington CPL allows for the carry of one concealed pistol, Note that you can only have one of them loaded and on you in a vehicle though
    Cite please
    IIRC there is NO LEGAL LIMIT as to how many you may carry or have loaded on your person, either in a vehicle or OC and CC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perkins View Post
    A Washington CPL allows for the carry of one concealed pistol, even if this is in addition to an OC firearm. Having a compack backup piece in addition to your open carry piece may well come in useful in some circumstances. Note that you can only have one of them loaded and on you in a vehicle though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajetpilot View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trigger Dr View Post
    Cite please
    IIRC there is NO LEGAL LIMIT as to how many you may carry or have loaded on your person, either in a vehicle or OC and CC.

    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.050
    The relavent section is 'license to such person to carry a pistol concealed on his or her person', note the use of the singular. To the best of my knowledge, there is no case law on this; but, there are several other locations where reference is made to 'a' or 'the' concealed pistol. In no place I can find is reference made to carrying multiple concealed pistols. The warning about having two loaded in a car is because a pistol on your person in a car is considered concealed. I think there is a decent probability you'd get away with it, but I also think that (due to the lack of case law), a cop may decide to give you a hard time over it. Of course, if someone has heard of case law or some other authoritative answer on this, I'd love to hear about it.


    Edit: As explained below, singular and plural are considered interchangeable, so the license is valied for any number of concealed pistols.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perkins View Post
    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.050
    The relavent section is 'license to such person to carry a pistol concealed on his or her person', note the use of the singular. To the best of my knowledge, there is no case law on this; but, there are several other locations where reference is made to 'a' or 'the' concealed pistol. In no place I can find is reference made to carrying multiple concealed pistols. The warning about having two loaded in a car is because a pistol on your person in a car is considered concealed. I think there is a decent probability you'd get away with it, but I also think that (due to the lack of case law), a cop may decide to give you a hard time over it. Of course, if someone has heard of case law or some other authoritative answer on this, I'd love to hear about it.
    Sometimes it is difficult (or impossible) to prove a negative.

    As you are the one making the assertion, your, imho, should be the one citing case law to back up your claim. If yopu have a law school nearby you might get assistance from a student organization in looking for case law, or the reasearch librarians might assist you if there is slack time. Otherwise, your county court should have a law library you may access, but help there is often non-existant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perkins View Post
    .....A Washington CPL allows for the carry of one concealed pistol, even if this is in addition to an OC firearm.
    Note that you can only have one of them loaded and on you in a vehicle though.
    I have been known to carry more than one weapon at a time in various locations on my person.
    A large number of people read this website and use this information in their daily lives. Incorrect information or misleading information could get someone who uses it in trouble with local LEOs. This is why references to law are required when making the rash statements you have posted. Please bear with us as we are old and experienced and do not have the same exuberance of youth you have.

    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    As you are the one making the assertion, your, imho, should be the one citing case law to back up your claim.
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    Rules of construction, my emphasis.

    RCW 1.12.050 Number and gender.

    Words importing the singular number may also be applied to the plural of persons and things; words importing the plural may be applied to the singular; and words importing the masculine gender may be extended to females also.

    [1891 c 23 1, part; Code 1881 756, 965, 1920; 1877 p 153 761; 1857 p 45 1; 1854 p 99 135 and p 221 502; RRS 148.]

    Notes:
    Reviser's note: This section is a part of 1891 c 23 1. The introductory phrase of that section provides: "The following provisions relative to the construction of statutes shall be rules of construction and shall constitute a part of the code of procedure of this state:".
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    Well that answers that, I stand (happily) corrected, thanks Nightmare. As a side note, I checked my CPL (issued by the Stevens County sheriff's office); the relevant text is 'The person described hereon is licensed to carry concealed pistols...', the Spokane County license simply is titled 'Washington State concealed pistol license'.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    RCW 1.12.050 Number and gender.

    Words importing the singular number may also be applied to the plural of persons and things; words importing the plural may be applied to the singular; and words importing the masculine gender may be extended to females also.

    [1891 c 23 1, part; Code 1881 756, 965, 1920; 1877 p 153 761; 1857 p 45 1; 1854 p 99 135 and p 221 502; RRS 148.]

    Notes:
    Reviser's note: This section is a part of 1891 c 23 1. The introductory phrase of that section provides: "The following provisions relative to the construction of statutes shall be rules of construction and shall constitute a part of the code of procedure of this state:".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perkins View Post
    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.050
    The relavent section is 'license to such person to carry a pistol concealed on his or her person', note the use of the singular. To the best of my knowledge, there is no case law on this; but, there are several other locations where reference is made to 'a' or 'the' concealed pistol. In no place I can find is reference made to carrying multiple concealed pistols. The warning about having two loaded in a car is because a pistol on your person in a car is considered concealed. I think there is a decent probability you'd get away with it, but I also think that (due to the lack of case law), a cop may decide to give you a hard time over it. Of course, if someone has heard of case law or some other authoritative answer on this, I'd love to hear about it.
    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
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    As you are the one making the assertion, your, imho, should be the one citing case law to back up your claim.
    Indeed Rule #5 of the Forum Rules places the responsibility for providing the cite on the one making the claim.

    Generally in law, when the singular form is used the plural may be substituted equally unless the limitation is clearly spelled out/defined.

    Example: One must have a permit to carry a gun concealed - 2 or 3 guns would be legal with the same permit...unless the law specifically limited a person to only carrying/concealing one gun.

    Also as noted laws generally define what one cannot do, not what is legal. Therefore, absenting a statute making carrying more than one gun illegal, such is by omission legal.
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    Hello and welcome to OCDO. I find a lot of good intel here, lots of good info to learn. There IS another site you may want to check out. I know there are a few members in your area, in addition to a "Places to shoot" map:
    www.WaGuns.org
    Best of luck to you in your experiences!
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