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    Am I extreme to want to OC?

    This may be a silly post but I was hoping for some perspective.

    I am moving from a very strict state to a relatively free staye. My coworker asked me about this and one of my reasons mentioned was the ability to exercise my right to open carry.

    He said that this was obsessive and extreme.


    Is this how people view OC?

    I find it extreme that I can't OC here.

    I guess it is part of the east coast nyc/nj area mentality & culture?

    What are non aggressive, open things to say to people in these situations?

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    Your coworker is obsessive and extreme for trying to influence your behavior and feelings to follow what HE thinks is "appropriate".

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanNabis View Post
    This may be a silly post but I was hoping for some perspective. I am moving from a very strict state to a relatively free staye. My coworker asked me about this and one of my reasons mentioned was the ability to exercise my right to open carry. He said that this was obsessive and extreme. Is this how people view OC? I find it extreme that I can't OC here. I guess it is part of the east coast nyc/nj area mentality & culture?

    What are non aggressive, open things to say to people in these situations?
    In whose mind, yours or his? Any disagreement is likely aggressive in his mind, closed.

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    Since only 6 states completely (with LEA exceptions, of course) prohibit open carry, I don't quite see how moving to a state with OC would be extreme. Throw a dart at a map and you'll probably hit an OC state. I know this doesn't exactly address the issue raised but sort of parallels it. Basically what I'm saying is, you're moving away from the extreme, not towards it, because the extreme position is prohibition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator View Post
    Since only 6 states completely (with LEA exceptions, of course) prohibit open carry, I don't quite see how moving to a state with OC would be extreme. Throw a dart at a map and you'll probably hit an OC state. I know this doesn't exactly address the issue raised but sort of parallels it. Basically what I'm saying is, you're moving away from the extreme, not towards it, because the extreme position is prohibition.
    But "allowing" and it being done are two separate things.... sure MA "allows it" but I'm a unicorn when I carry OC to the range or around before or after the range. It makes me think of how many other states on the map are labeled as "allowing" but its just a thing on paper not really in practice.

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    I got a similar group of questions about not living in my birth state (NJ). My entire family lives within a few miles of each other in south NJ. I now live in the Great Northwest, Land of Open Carry. Some of my answers went a bit like this......

    1. Too many People

    2. Everyone talks funny

    3. Too much city, not enough Country

    4. Too much tax

    5. Not enough Freedom

    6. Draconian firearms laws

    7. I like suppressors

    8. NJ is dirty

    9. The cost of living is too high

    10. I just don't like you people.


    Your mileage may vary, I am a school trained smarta$$ and I really do not give a "rats a$$" over what most people think. Move on to a newer, Freedom filled life. Good luck to you mate.
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    New Jersey is a fascist nannying police state in more than just laws infringing on the natural right to freely and peaceably bear arms.

    However, depending on the state you may or may not see other people taking advantage of the right to OC. I'm in Florida, concealed only. When I visit my dad in Virginia, I've seen lots of people open carry. Sometimes I drive up to Georgia, and I've never seen anyone OC, except me and the cops looking at me but pretending they're not, lol.
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    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanNabis View Post
    This may be a silly post but I was hoping for some perspective.

    I am moving from a very strict state to a relatively free staye. My coworker asked me about this and one of my reasons mentioned was the ability to exercise my right to open carry.

    He said that this was obsessive and extreme.


    Is this how people view OC?

    I find it extreme that I can't OC here.

    I guess it is part of the east coast nyc/nj area mentality & culture?

    What are non aggressive, open things to say to people in these situations?
    Not in my state. And then there is this. Since when do you have to consider how others feel about you wanting to exercise and enjoy liberty? Except for those whom you chose to consider, what others think or say about you is of little importance.

    Enjoy your soon to be new found freedom. BTW, which state are you moving to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PistolPackingMomma View Post
    Your coworker is obsessive and extreme for trying to influence your behavior and feelings to follow what HE thinks is "appropriate".
    +1

    To the OP, I now wear being called "confrontational", "Anarchist", "radical", "extreme" as a badge of honor. CARE because I care. It just shows how far away from the natural state of humans (liberated) they have moved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    +1

    To the OP, I now wear being called "confrontational", "Anarchist", "radical", "extreme" as a badge of honor. CARE because I care. It just shows how far away from the natural state of humans (liberated) they have moved.
    I have to say, I rather like this outlook.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    +1

    To the OP, I now wear being called "confrontational", "Anarchist", "radical", "extreme" as a badge of honor. CARE because I care. It just shows how far away from the natural state of humans (liberated) they have moved.
    "C.A.R.E. because I care". Me likey. Get a trademark for that, add in a photo of the Founding Fathers, and I'll buy a shirt off you.
    I carry to defend my loved ones; Desensitizing and educating are secondary & tertiary reasons. Anything else is unintended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Young Man View Post
    "C.A.R.E. because I care". Me likey. Get a trademark for that, add in a photo of the Founding Fathers, and I'll buy a shirt off you.
    Me too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    To the OP, I now wear being called "confrontational", "Anarchist", "radical", "extreme" as a badge of honor. CARE because I care. It just shows how far away from the natural state of humans (liberated) they have moved.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gallowmere View Post
    I have to say, I rather like this outlook.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Young Man View Post
    "C.A.R.E. because I care". Me likey. Get a trademark for that, add in a photo of the Founding Fathers, and I'll buy a shirt off you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    Me too!

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    A shirt....great Idea.....
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSG Laigaie View Post
    I got a similar group of questions about not living in my birth state (NJ). My entire family lives within a few miles of each other in south NJ. I now live in the Great Northwest, Land of Open Carry. Some of my answers went a bit like this......

    1. Too many People

    2. Everyone talks funny

    3. Too much city, not enough Country

    4. Too much tax

    5. Not enough Freedom

    6. Draconian firearms laws

    7. I like suppressors

    8. NJ is dirty

    9. The cost of living is too high

    10. I just don't like you people.


    Your mileage may vary, I am a school trained smarta$$ and I really do not give a "rats a$$" over what most people think. Move on to a newer, Freedom filled life. Good luck to you mate.
    You left out..........pumping your own gas.

    Like many of the former liberty minded colonies north of Virginia, the bearing of arms is not what civilized citizens do. Did you not know we have cops to do the bearing of arms for us.
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    move to TN, you'll be the norm here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kopis View Post
    move to TN, you'll be the norm here.
    I don't know what part of TN you're in, but around here it isn't exactly the norm. That being said, I haven't had a problem OCing here in the last three years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanNabis View Post
    This may be a silly post but I was hoping for some perspective.
    Not silly at all.

    I am moving from a very strict state to a relatively free staye. My coworker asked me about this and one of my reasons mentioned was the ability to exercise my right to open carry.

    He said that this was obsessive and extreme. Is this how people view OC?
    Only those people who are obsessive and extreme.

    I find it extreme that I can't OC here.
    So do we.

    I guess it is part of the east coast nyc/nj area mentality & culture?
    Good guess!

    What are non aggressive, open things to say to people in these situations?
    I would ask him what was obsessive and extreme about Constitutionally-guaranteed (not granted) rights. Ask him if the desire to exercise the freedom to express political opinions, to worship, etc., is obsessive and extreme.
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    Is knowing that dudes with white-on-white ties are visibly armed (OC) worse than wondering if dudes with white-on-white ties might be armed (CC).
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    I find it extreme to ask permission for actions which are not only self-evident, but Constitutionally-enumerated, rights.

    I find it downright totalitarian to prohibit these actions altogether.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    You left out..........pumping your own gas.

    Like many of the former liberty minded colonies north of Virginia, the bearing of arms is not what civilized citizens do. Did you not know we have cops to do the bearing of arms for us.
    Aren't you banned from pumping your own gas in Oregon also?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizzi01 View Post
    Aren't you banned from pumping your own gas in Oregon also?
    Yeah, I was kind of taken aback by that when I visited Oregon. That situation reeks of union lobbyist involvement to me though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSG Laigaie View Post
    I got a similar group of questions about not living in my birth state (NJ). My entire family lives within a few miles of each other in south NJ. I now live in the Great Northwest, Land of Open Carry. Some of my answers went a bit like this......

    1. Too many People

    2. Everyone talks funny

    3. Too much city, not enough Country

    4. Too much tax

    5. Not enough Freedom

    6. Draconian firearms laws

    7. I like suppressors

    8. NJ is dirty

    9. The cost of living is too high

    10. I just don't like you people.


    Your mileage may vary, I am a school trained smarta$$ and I really do not give a "rats a$$" over what most people think. Move on to a newer, Freedom filled life. Good luck to you mate.


    You can say "y'all" now. I have a good friend that moved down to memphis from boston. He says all the same stuff as you but the first time he tried to use y'all in a sentence it was so funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kopis View Post
    You can say "y'all" now. .
    I lived/was stationed in the deep south for many, many years, to include Arkansas. I attended UALR. At one time in my life I was accused of pronouncing "bug" with two syllables.
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    It is never "extreme" to do what 90% of all states expressly allow by law.
    The First protects the Second, and the Second protects the First. Together, they protect the rest of our Bill of Rights and our United States Constitution, and help We the People protect ourselves in the spirit of our Declaration of Independence.

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