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America is exceptionally dumb when to comes to guns
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sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
Do you even read the posts?
Primus
Regular Member
Curriculum or type of EDUCATION
EDUCATION
EDUCATION distinction being introduced between curriculum teaching/learning abilities.
More education/school
And wham...... stating "he's not educates in an academic way".......
And then you process to state you were pointing out .gov "education" sucks.
Well bases on what? Based on this guy? Ok.... that means you must know WHAT education he had in order to contribute it to being gov education. Right?
Trust me I'm reading.
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"Another Brick In The Wall (Part II)"
We don't need no education
We don't need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teachers leave them kids alone
Hey teacher leave them kids alone
All in all it's just another brick in the wall
All in all you're just another brick in the wall
We don't need no education
We don't need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teachers leave them kids alone
Hey teacher leave them kids alone
All in all it's just another brick in the wall
All in all you're just another brick in the wall
OC for ME
Regular Member
Well?
marshaul
Campaign Veteran
As mentioned, education is not accumulation of facts and trivia. Education is the development of the art of critical thinking (including the rudiments of historiographic theory), the interest in expanding one's horizons (i.e. reading), and a Socratic awareness of the limits of those horizons. Even specific education devoted to the acquisition of a particular skill (e.g. engineering) is less about factoids and more about a practical, systematic understanding of the field in question, and therefore maintains its emphasis on the aforementioned fundaments (excepting historiography in the case of most technical disciplines).
If an educational system is good, it is because it emphasizes these and instills them in its pupils. A bad (or, rather, non-) education creates students able to regurgitate a few facts until those facts' lack of utility causes them to be once again forgotten.
A great many public schools are of the latter sort. Even Robinson (my aforementioned high school) was largely this way in the standard classes; only the AP and IB classes attempted real education from what I experienced.
To put it simply: if an individual is conversant in many areas, it is not because he had some teacher spout a few relevant facts at him, but because he is educated, and this is the ability of any truly educated individual.
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marshaul
Campaign Veteran
Much-neglected, and essentially the only credit I give to the International Baccalaureate history track.
sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
You may be reading but you are lacking in understanding.
stealthyeliminator
Regular Member
I was going to say something along these lines, I think
Anyway, I think that it's also important to remember that just because you can't think back and recall precisely when you learned something in, say, the 3rd grade, that doesn't mean you actually didn't and it doesn't mean that what you learned then is irrelevant today. You can retain a lesson learned without remembering having received that lesson. I'd think that if you removed from memory everything that you learned in the 3rd and 4th grades, and everything which is founded upon what you learned in those grades, you'd be an idiot (not in the derogatory sense, you'd just know very little).
marshaul
Campaign Veteran
stealthyeliminator
Regular Member
Gallowmere
Regular Member
This is true. This may also be precisely why we could safely assume that the state has no interest in providing what many would consider a proper education to most people. Don't get me wrong, it is clear that some people are just stupid, and beyond the possibility of more than the most basic of education. However, I do find it very strange that there always seems to be so many of the aforementioned people, within certain geographical confines.
It is giving exactly what it needed to keep itself afloat. With an entire population of well educated citizens, capable to critical thought in a broad variety of subjects, the state has less and less at it's disposal, to justify it's existence.
stealthyeliminator
Regular Member
QFT
Not to change the subject, but even outside of educational issues, many public school systems are.. well, actually, they're teaching behaviors, so I guess it would be an "education" of sorts, but they're teaching behaviors directly contrary to principles of liberty. Besides the fact that the material they're teaching is often factually incorrect, like teaching that the constitution "grants" rights instead of protects rights which are sourced from a higher power which the state can never have the authority to override, they're teaching children to be subject to violations of rights. Violations of free speech, compelled speech, violations of privacy, coercing kids and parents into submitting the kids to unwarranted searches and seizures, the list goes on. I guess if you think about it, kids are learning a lot in school. They're learning a lot about how to live as a subject to the government. Before Primus jumps in, obviously that's a huge generalization and isn't the case across the board. But I think it's a significant portion of the board, whether it's majority or not.
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sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
since9
Campaign Veteran
Overall, I think we were and still are pretty smart. We're one of the few countries that recognized the need to establish and maintain an individual right to keep and bear arms. Over the last thirty years, most state laws have become less restrictive, not more restrictive.
Still, we have a lot of work to do using facts to educate the ignorant before they do things which are exceptionally dumb, like eroding our right to keep and bear arms.
Still, we have a lot of work to do using facts to educate the ignorant before they do things which are exceptionally dumb, like eroding our right to keep and bear arms.