"My kids [sic] safety trumps your gun rights"

carolina guy · May 16, 2014

papa bear said:
good one MIKE

I have sort of thought that since it was a right (enumerated in the 2ndA), we should all have a gun issued to us.

Wouldn't that make it a requirement/obligation to keep the arms?

mikeyb · May 16, 2014

papa bear said:
good one MIKE

I have sort of thought that since it was a right (enumerated in the 2ndA), we should all have a gun issued to us.

Then you've sort of thought wrong.

A right is not a mandate.

marshaul · May 16, 2014

papa bear said:
I have sort of thought that since it was a right (enumerated in the 2ndA), we should all have a gun issued to us.

We do have a right not to have another man prevent us from buying a gun.

We do not have a right to force another man to buy us a gun.

That's how rights work.

color of law · May 16, 2014

stealthyeliminator said:
I saw an article heading and an accompanying picture. I didn't bother to read the article. I'm not sure if it's true that reading dumb **** can actually make you dumber, but I don't want to chance it any more than I have to.

The picture is of a person holding up a sign. The sign reads, "My kids [sic] safety trumps your gun rights"

Does it though? Does it really? Show me any authoritative texts which support that assertion.

While you're at it, show me any authoritative texts which show that the exercise of my rights conflict with the safety of your children.

Thugs with jugs.

Yes, it's true. Examples are Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. Do I need to say more???????

b0neZ · May 16, 2014

marshaul said:
We do have a right not to have another man prevent us from buying a gun.

We do not have a right to force another man to buy us a gun.

That's how rights work.

Normally I agree with you on things, and this is no exception.

That said, please allow me to play Devils Advocate with the piece I bolded above:

If the above is true, then I have the right to purchase a, for example, Sig P229 for $50 if that's all I am willing to pay and the seller has to take my offer, correct? If they don't, they are preventing me from buying a gun.

(I know that's not how it works. Honestly I do. I'm just getting the retort out there in jest before someone tries to use it in a serious tone.)

carolina guy · May 16, 2014

b0neZ said:
Normally I agree with you on things, and this is no exception.

That said, please allow me to play Devils Advocate with the piece I bolded above:

If the above is true, then I have the right to purchase a, for example, Sig P229 for $50 if that's all I am willing to pay and the seller has to take my offer, correct? If they don't, they are preventing me from buying a gun.

(I know that's not how it works. Honestly I do. I'm just getting the retort out there in jest before someone tries to use it in a serious tone.)

ONLY if the only seller is the government, otherwise, NO. You do not have any rights to the seller's property other than what the two of you have AGREED previously.

b0neZ · May 16, 2014

carolina guy said:
ONLY if the only seller is the government, otherwise, NO. You do not have any rights to the seller's property other than what the two of you have AGREED previously.

Please reread the post that you quoted, and pay close attention to the part that is in parentheses.

Thank you.

carolina guy · May 16, 2014

b0neZ said:
Please reread the post that you quoted, and pay close attention to the part that is in parentheses.

Thank you.

(*shrug*)

papa bear · May 17, 2014

marshaul said:
We do have a right not to have another man prevent us from buying a gun.

We do not have a right to force another man to buy us a gun.

That's how rights work.

is that one of those imagined rights. or is it enumerated somewhere? we actually do have the right to tax people and use the money which every way the government sees fit

if the government issued guns, i never said you had to take it

stealthyeliminator · May 17, 2014

papa bear said:
is that one of those imagined rights. or is it enumerated somewhere? we actually do have the right to tax people and use the money which every way the government sees fit

if the government issued guns, i never said you had to take it

Do you even liberty?

Your question is either/or fallacy. "Imagined rights" and "enumerated rights" are not the only two options or categories. I'm pretty sure that has been explained.

The "right" to tax, now that is an imagined right! I hope you're joking and I'm just missing the punch line.

marshaul · May 17, 2014

stealthyeliminator said:
The "right" to tax, now that is an imagined right! I hope you're joking and I'm just missing the punch line.

+1

The American "theory" of "legitimate" taxation is that, since we "agreed" to form a government which "represents" us, we "agree" to be taxed.

Over the years I've increasingly come to feel that represents some intense intellectual squirming and twisting by the statists among the Founding Fathers in order to ensure big government, but the fact remains: there was never an attempt to assert a "right to tax".

sudden valley gunner · May 17, 2014

papa bear said:
is that one of those imagined rights. or is it enumerated somewhere? we actually do have the right to tax people and use the money which every way the government sees fit

if the government issued guns, i never said you had to take it

Prey tell where does this "right" to legalized theft come from?

countryclubjoe · May 17, 2014

" As a man is said to have a right to his property, he may be equally said to have property in his rights" James Madison "property" National Gazette
March 29,1792

Madison on rights is my favorite.

Here is one to ponder--- " Men have no special right because they belong to one race or another; the word man defines all rights.. ( Jose Marti 1893)

Regards

CCJ

countryclubjoe · May 17, 2014

"the state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of Liberty and almost any Deprivation." Adolph Hitler.

CCJ

sudden valley gunner · May 18, 2014

countryclubjoe said:
"the state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of Liberty and almost any Deprivation." Adolph Hitler.

CCJ

+1

marshaul · May 18, 2014

countryclubjoe said:
"the state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of Liberty and almost any Deprivation." Adolph Hitler.

CCJ

If it wasn't immediately obvious that that "quote" was written by an American, a quick Google search confirms that Hitler never said such a thing (although he probably thought it).

countryclubjoe · May 18, 2014

marshaul said:
If it wasn't immediately obvious that that "quote" was written by an American, a quick Google search confirms that Hitler never said such a thing (although he probably thought it).

A limited amount of research would indicate that you are "correct" and that AH never said such a thing, however, that quote seemed ap-ruh-poh
to the OP title. That being stated, I will post another that is ap-ruh-poh and is most definite a Hitler quote.

" To conquer a Nation, first disarm its citizens"- Adolph Hitler

Marshaul, I enjoy reading you're comments.

Regards.

CCJ

sudden valley gunner · May 18, 2014

Damn! LOL.....scratch that quote off my list.

countryclubjoe · May 18, 2014

I would thing that we have a right to purchase any product or service if the said product or service is deemed a Legal product or service.
We also have a right to enter into any contract with any entity or person we chose however different rules and laws apply. For example, in Nevada one can purchase sex and not be charged with a crime, while the good folks in Utah may not look so kind on such a purchase.
If one entered into a gambling contract with an illegal bookmaker neither party could enforce the contract however if one takes out a marker to place a wager in a Casino, one would be required to honor the marker(contract) and if they fail to honor the contract there could be legal ramifications.

Buying land is a right. Try building a home on said land or installing a swimming pool on said land. While one would have the right to do so, one would have to pay fees and get permits etc for that right. Try putting a roof on you're home without getting a permit to do so.

Bottom line is, We have a right to life, liberty and property.

My .02

Regards

CCJ

papa bear · May 18, 2014

stealthyeliminator said:
Do you even liberty?

Your question is either/or fallacy. "Imagined rights" and "enumerated rights" are not the only two options or categories. I'm pretty sure that has been explained.

The "right" to tax, now that is an imagined right! I hope you're joking and I'm just missing the punch line.

if you could. can you explain that liberty statement in bold. doesn't really make sense.

but for the rest of it see below

sudden valley gunner said:
Prey tell where does this "right" to legalized theft come from?

16th amendment, article 1 section 2;clause 3, section 8, section 8;clause 1, section 9; clause 4
also the SCOTUS had declared last year that you could be taxed/penalized all the Government wanted to

really ,you guys need the read the constitution more

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