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    Jack in the Box bans open carry

    Looks Jack in the Box gave in to Mother's from defenseless victims.

    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortney...carry-n1836409
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    So step by step they are forcing gun owners to find healthier foods and thus have healthier diets.

    By getting us to avoid junk foods such as Starbucks and Jack in the Box we are having fewer unhealthy selections to choose from.

    They must really care about us.

    But if we were really as dangerous and violent as the anti-gunners claim we are, then there would not be any anti-gunners to complain about us.

    Oh well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    So step by step they are forcing gun owners to find healthier foods and thus have healthier diets.

    By getting us to avoid junk foods such as Starbucks and Jack in the Box we are having fewer unhealthy selections to choose from.

    They must really care about us.

    But if we were really as dangerous and violent as the anti-gunners claim we are, then there would not be any anti-gunners to complain about us.

    Oh well.
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    Oh well. I haven't eaten there in over a year, so no loss there. Also, I've been meaning to lose a little weight.
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    Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of a new place to eat! Is this the Burger King open carry guy?

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    OC meeting at Booger King?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FMJ 911 View Post
    OC meeting at Booger King?
    Don't bring your cameras...

    They vehemently ban all photography in their locations.
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    OC meeting at Booger King?


    Unethical.

    They've asked people not to, but you think the request doesn't apply to you? Why?

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    I can't find their press release on facebook, it seems to me that only MDA is even circulating this. MDA can be incessant after choosing a cause. I have a feeling this announcement was to placate a group of annoying extremists. I'll bet if I open carry to my local J in the Box when I get home in several weeks there will be no problems at all.

    And as far as the private property rights, most fast food joints are franchised, so unless the franchisee bans carry I don't see it as violating property rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deanf View Post
    Unethical.

    They've asked people not to, but you think the request doesn't apply to you? Why?[/COLOR]
    Did I miss something? Has "Booger King" banned OC too?

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    Nothing could be better for the NON franchise restaurant owners. While the big boys keep caving to silly demands small business gets a boost where they need it, more customers, and a niche to attract them.

    I myself was treated very well by one of these small business owners. He went past the normal business and went out of his way to make me welcome WITH my OC firearm. In NC it is unlawful to carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol without a CHP or the owners permission. The owner immediately gave me his permission and I was encouraged to spread the word to others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    Don't bring your cameras...

    They vehemently ban all photography in their locations.
    They ban the exercising of 1st Amendment rights do they? Nice to see they think they are above the Constitution. Now all I need is a video of them violating it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rightwinglibertarian View Post
    They ban the exercising of 1st Amendment rights do they? Nice to see they think they are above the Constitution. Now all I need is a video of them violating it.

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    Too bad your across the pond. And its a private business.... not violating anything. Don't like it, don't eat there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    ...its a private business.... not violating anything. Don't like it, don't eat there...
    Correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rightwinglibertarian View Post
    They ban the exercising of 1st Amendment rights do they? Nice to see they think they are above the Constitution. Now all I need is a video of them violating it.

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    I'm not sure why you believe that we have a 1st Amendment right to take pictures inside someone's business location.
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    Before we get too far away, one small detail:

    Quote Originally Posted by FMJ 911 View Post
    OC meeting at Booger King?
    Quote Originally Posted by deanf View Post
    Unethical.

    They've asked people not to, but you think the request doesn't apply to you? Why?[/COLOR]
    Quote Originally Posted by Dain Bramage View Post
    Did I miss something? Has "Booger King" banned OC too?
    I hadn't heard of this. I just OCed at two different BKs in March and got nothing in terms of stares or wild-eyed looks, much less any comments.
    Does this mean I have to go without Whoppers as well?
    I carry to defend my loved ones; Desensitizing and educating are secondary & tertiary reasons. Anything else is unintended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    Too bad your across the pond. And its a private business.... not violating anything. Don't like it, don't eat there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesCanby View Post
    I'm not sure why you believe that we have a 1st Amendment right to take pictures inside someone's business location.
    it may well be a private business but the very nature of it means they expect the public to be there and as such there is no right to privacy. Plus in Pruneyard Shopping Center v. Robins it was stated that

    A state can prohibit the private owner of a shopping center from using state trespass law to exclude peaceful expressive activity in the open areas of the shopping center.

    even the liberal wasteland of California

    under the California Constitution, individuals may peacefully exercise their right to free speech in parts of private shopping centers regularly held open to the public, subject to reasonable regulations adopted by the shopping centers

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pruney...nter_v._Robins

    There is certainly precedent for insisting that businesses respect your right to free speech. While they can deny that in some states it certainly isnt wise
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    Actually, that applied to common areas of large shopping centers, not to individual businesses within, nor to stand-alone businesses.

    But I agree with you on the principle of your argument against the business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dain Bramage View Post
    Did I miss something? Has "Booger King" banned OC too?
    Only the ones owned by Heartland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Young Man View Post
    Before we get too far away, one small detail:


    I hadn't heard of this. I just OCed at two different BKs in March and got nothing in terms of stares or wild-eyed looks, much less any comments.
    Does this mean I have to go without Whoppers as well?
    deanf made a mistake, and got confused when someone else added BK to the conversation. To get back on track it was JIB that called for the ban, it was then suggested we show our appreciation to BK since they are still "good".

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    Jack in the box story a Hoax's


    http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2014/05...refuge-in.html


    The widely reported story that Jack in the Box employees locked themselves in the freezer because they feared open carry activists is almost certainly a hoax. The event was reported to have happened at a Jack in the Box in the Dallas Fort Worth area.

    This video report by NBC5 reporter Ken Kalthoff shows Irwin Harris saying that they entered the restaurant and were served without any fuss. He said they ordered, received their food, and left. The police told NBC5 that the employees then went into the cooler for protection. That seems a little odd... lock yourself in the freezer *after* the armed men act politely, pay for their purchases, and walk out? The only thing NBC5 has to show this is an email from the police. The Jack in the Box people refused to talk to the reporter.

    Open Carry Texas has more. They requested the 911 calls to the police for the incident. They say there was only one, and they put it on YouTube. The caller simply describes the open carriers as casually walking, with one of them filming the others. They also contacted Jack in the Box, where officials deny that employees were ever in fear of their life. From the Open Carry Texas YouTube that includes the audio of the 911 call:

    "Jack in the Box officials deny their employees were in fear of their lives or locked themselves in a freezer."
    While I was not there, it certainly appears that we have another media frenzy against open carriers, that amounts to a hoax. The idea that employees locked themselves in the freezer *after* the open carriers left, and were so scared that they never called 911, and even denied that it ever happened to their bosses, is simply unbelievable.

    Can we believe that the police sent an unverified email to a media outlet...

    It seems much more likely to me.

    This can use a bit more investigation. I would like to see the police email, and figure out where it came from. Maybe a Jack in the Box employee jokingly made a comment to police that got blown up, but it seems very likely that fear and "locking in the freezer" never happened.

    Update: This is the police report that the Forbes reporter relied on:



    In the interest of transparency, here is the full statement from Fort Worth P.D., which Sgt. Bush just confirmed to me (on Tues 5/6) is accurate:

    On May 1st the F.W.P.D. received a call stating four males were carrying assault rifles in the parking lot of the Jack-in-the-Box located at Sycamore School Road and South Freeway.
    Upon arrival, officers discovered a group of 4-6 males carrying rifles. The men reported that they were conducting an Open Carry Demonstration.
    Officers spoke with Jack-in-the-Box employees who reported that they feared for their lives and believed they were being robbed. They locked themselves inside a freezer for protection out of fear the rifle-carrying men would rob them.
    The demonstration had no signage that would have alerted anyone to their real purpose, and to our knowledge they did not attempt to contact anyone in the Fort Worth Police Department to advise us prior to the demonstration.
    A patrol supervisor made the scene and spoke with members of the demonstration. He explained that in the future it would be advantageous if they carried large signage or flags declaring their purpose. He also gave them the number to the local police station so they could advise police prior to their next demonstration.
    The initial call was #140326011.
    We respect the rights of all citizens to peacefully protest and the right to bear arms. However, we cannot stress enough how a simple phone call to police prior to this demonstration and the use of easily visible signage could have avoided un-necessarily alarming the public.

    So, this appears to be an unverified report from a sargent who says police officers said that Jack in the Box employees told them that this happened.

    It will be interesting to see what the official police reports say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firearms Iinstuctor View Post
    In the interest of transparency, here is the full statement from Fort Worth P.D., which Sgt. Bush just confirmed to me (on Tues 5/6) is accurate:

    On May 1st the F.W.P.D. received a call stating four males were carrying assault rifles in the parking lot of the Jack-in-the-Box located at Sycamore School Road and South Freeway.
    Upon arrival, officers discovered a group of 4-6 males carrying rifles. The men reported that they were conducting an Open Carry Demonstration.
    Officers spoke with Jack-in-the-Box employees who reported that they feared for their lives and believed they were being robbed. They locked themselves inside a freezer for protection out of fear the rifle-carrying men would rob them.
    The demonstration had no signage that would have alerted anyone to their real purpose, and to our knowledge they did not attempt to contact anyone in the Fort Worth Police Department to advise us prior to the demonstration.
    A patrol supervisor made the scene and spoke with members of the demonstration. He explained that in the future it would be advantageous if they carried large signage or flags declaring their purpose. He also gave them the number to the local police station so they could advise police prior to their next demonstration.
    The initial call was #140326011.
    We respect the rights of all citizens to peacefully protest and the right to bear arms. However, we cannot stress enough how a simple phone call to police prior to this demonstration and the use of easily visible signage could have avoided un-necessarily alarming the public.

    So, this appears to be an unverified report from a sargent who says police officers said that Jack in the Box employees told them that this happened.

    It will be interesting to see what the official police reports say.

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    So people need to call the police whenever they are planning on exercising their rights?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fort Worth P.D
    ...Upon arrival, officers discovered a group of 4-6 males carrying rifles...

    ...We respect the rights of all citizens to peacefully protest and the right to bear arms. However, we cannot stress enough how a simple phone call to police prior to this demonstration and the use of easily visible signage could have avoided un-necessarily alarming the public...
    Was that too high a number to count accurately?

    And we respect the self-righteous opinions of public servants, but we cannot stress enough that removing the unconstitutional ban on the unlicensed carry of sidearms would make these "demonstrations" completely unnecessary.
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    Dean,

    I have open carried at the Burger King in Snohomish several times without being asked to leave. Nor have I ever seen any request/news article etc. saying they don't wan't us there.

    I fully respect the rights of private businesses, but they have to make it very clear we are not wanted there. I don't usually call ahead to ask……………..

    Clarification please?

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    Can you carry a pistol inside a box marked 'gun?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_pro2a View Post
    Can you carry a pistol inside a box marked 'gun?"
    Only if the gun is unloaded, the firing pin has been removed, you have a permission slip from the state, and you have 2" X 2" "Danger!" decals on the box.

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