I put this up in the TN forum as well but hoped to get some more expert advice here. Anyway, I flew out of memphis last week on a business trip. As i approached the airport there were big signs on each side that said something like ALL VEHICLES SUBJECT TO SEARCH or something like that. The lanes were coned down to one and there were about a dozen airport/TSA cops with an area for directing vehicles in to and seats where people were sitting as their vehicles were being searched. I was in my company car which i would neeeeeever have a firearm in because that is against policy but i had cleaned it out before my trip since i was parking it at the garage. I had removed my emergency bag which has an ax, knife, pliars, food, water, flares in it though. I was curious about both the legality of the search to begin with and secondly what if i had a firearm on my person or in my car? I often leave an AR pistol in a case with 6 mags in my trunk with my emergency bag. What kind of issues would that cause?
Also, when flying back out of FL, they swabbed my hands. When i asked what for, he said it tests for explosives and ammunition. I asked what if i had been to the shooting range earlier or just had my hand on my carry weapon and some residue was still on my hands? He didnt have an answer and seemed concerned with my questions but the machine came back negative so he let me go.
I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.
U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
"Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)
"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the people's liberty teeth (and) keystone... the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable... more than 99% of them by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference .When firearms go, all goes, we need them every hour." -- George Washington
In order to be searched you first have to be seized. Don't consent to either. They can't search somebody walking or driving away from them.
In other words, you do not forfeit your Constitutional rights in the parking lot of KMEM a.k.a. Memphis International Airport.
I am only 24 and i remember walking to the gates and waving as my dad's flight pushed back. Sad thing is the airport is no more safe than back then!
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I have often wondered about this. A few years ago when I was leaving my Dads in CA I was flying out of LAX. LAPD just happened to have a mass vehicle seach of all vehicles coming in, basically having them open the trunk or whatever. When my Dad asked if they had a warrant the LEO smirked and said no but if you don't let us check we won't let you in. Even when I knew less about my rights back then it still all seemed kinda messed up. Any way my dad let him look in the back of our SUV so I wouldn't miss my flight out of that communist state. We had a few ammo cans in the back but the LEO didnt say anything about them.
They are? I recall something about carry being legal into the terminal, but not past the checkpoints. Maybe that was a proposed bill I heard about and not legal yet.
You know, in this state, those signs don't carry the force of law. I wonder if the signs at airports are different? Aren't airports - even large international ones - privately owned?
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