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    Fredericksburg PD to wear body cameras

    Not the most convenient models they could have chosen, but interesting development, nonetheless.

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    Body cameras are newest addition to FPD arsenal


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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    Not the most convenient models they could have chosen, but interesting development, nonetheless.

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    Body cameras are newest addition to FPD arsenal

    So.... do WE get to shine our 1500 lumen tactical led flashlight into the camera's lens, like some LEOs have begun doing when being recorded by us?

    Actually, since we have been trained by the best to remain calm and to express our rights in the face of what some may term badgering, I suspect that we will welcome a visual and audible record of the contact, consensual or otherwise.

    I wonder if all of the recorded video and audio is automatically transmitted to a server? According to the article, the LEO has the ability to record or not record a contact. To me this means that we must always be prepared to make our own recording.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesCanby View Post
    So.... do WE get to shine our 1500 lumen tactical led flashlight into the camera's lens, like some LEOs have begun doing when being recorded by us?

    Actually, since we have been trained by the best to remain calm and to express our rights in the face of what some may term badgering, I suspect that we will welcome a visual and audible record of the contact, consensual or otherwise.

    I wonder if all of the recorded video and audio is automatically transmitted to a server? According to the article, the LEO has the ability to record or not record a contact. To me this means that we must always be prepared to make our own recording.
    According to Taser:
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    So, gee, Taser International is offering cloud storage for LEO Encounters. Wonderful.

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    A related article:
    http://www.wric.com/story/25595974/f...w-body-cameras

    Every Fredericksburg City Police officer is now armed with a body camera - replacing dashboard cameras that were in squad cars.
    So the body camera will replace the dash cam? And the officer can choose to turn on/turn off recording? I think this would be a much better idea if it was 'in addition to' the dashboard camera...(which, as I understand it, records any time the cars emergency lights are activated) and if the officer had no control over the recording for the body camera (although I recognize that brings its own set of concerns...).


    Officers don't have to tell you you're being recorded but police insist they won't violate your privacy.

    "The officer is not going to record a random conversation," Bledsoe says.
    Yeah, the old 'Trust us.... we won't abuse your rights' line....
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    And, of course, they'll conveniently not have been running for every encounter where there's an allegation of police misconduct....

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    We have a Sheriff's dept, which is better than PD. The Staties around here are really under-trained wrt carry. PD in F-burg? "Oh, it came unplugged!".

    Actually depends on if the recording goes to the cloud and can't be erased.

    Oh, wait - get this:

    Officers will not be activating the cameras for every random conversation or minor citizen encounter, and recordings that are not useful for evidence or training will automatically be purged from the storage system after thirty days.
    They have to manually activate it. That's ridiculous. They'll never be turned on in a pinch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roscoe13 View Post
    And, of course, they'll conveniently not have been running for every encounter where there's an allegation of police misconduct....

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    You just never know when those systems will 'malfunction'....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick9 View Post
    We have a Sheriff's dept, which is better than PD. The Staties around here are really under-trained wrt carry. PD in F-burg? "Oh, it came unplugged!".

    Actually depends on if the recording goes to the cloud and can't be erased.

    It appears to be local 'on the camera' recording that needs to be downloaded to a server when the officers return to the station. ('oops. Sorry Chief, I forgot to download that video of me 'subduing' that citizen repeatedly! )

    From the second linked article posted above:

    Each camera system holds 10 hours of video and every day it's downloaded to a server.

    "It's automatically purged from that server after 30 days unless the officer chooses to save it," Bledsoe says. "We are really hoping this is going to help us."


    Btw, when the police say 'we hope its going to help us'..... I don't think they are including the general public in that 'us'.

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    I have seen these "shoulder thingies" before. It had a laser in it.
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    Why do we care. I've been wearing cameras for years....let the cops do it, it's only sporting or as I said to one who was talking to Grapeshot and asked if I was finished yet......"Why do you care. Are you planning on doing something you don't want on the 6:00 news?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blk97F150 View Post
    It appears to be local 'on the camera' recording that needs to be downloaded to a server when the officers return to the station. ('oops. Sorry Chief, I forgot to download that video of me 'subduing' that citizen repeatedly! )

    From the second linked article posted above:

    Btw, when the police say 'we hope its going to help us'..... I don't think they are including the general public in that 'us'.
    We hope its going to help us ... Sure; what about also helping the citizens, too?

    "To Protect and Serve" .... whom?

    "It's a cookbook!" -- if you catch the reference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repeater View Post
    We hope its going to help us ... Sure; what about also helping the citizens, too?

    "To Protect and Serve" .... whom?

    "It's a cookbook!" -- if you catch the reference.
    I would put that Twilight zone episode in the top five

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Why do we care. I've been wearing cameras for years....let the cops do it, it's only sporting or as I said to one who was talking to Grapeshot and asked if I was finished yet......"Why do you care. Are you planning on doing something you don't want on the 6:00 news?"
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    But, if they are going to use them the officer should be required to have it running for their entire shift, except lavatory breaks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
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    But, if they are going to use them the officer should be required to have it running for their entire shift, except lavatory breaks.
    I agree. And anytime the cameras off when it's required to be on should be grounds for immediate termination.

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    The story is older than the TZ episode. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Serve_Man

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
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    But, if they are going to use them the officer should be required to have it running for their entire shift, except lavatory breaks.
    Agreed. And that video should be made available in any criminal cases the officer is involved in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liberty-or-Death View Post
    The story is older than the TZ episode. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Serve_Man

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC Freedom View Post
    I would put that Twilight zone episode in the top five
    Another reference comes to mind: "Guacamole is people!"

    Okay, I'm paraphrasing ...

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    City of Richmond and County of Henrico may follow suit.
    http://www.nbc12.com/story/25644785/...niform-cameras

    ... Henrico County police have tested the cameras in the last six months, and are researching the feasibility of using them. Chesterfield County police are not considering uniform cameras at the moment.
    *sigh*

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSG Laigaie View Post
    I have seen these "shoulder thingies" before. It had a laser in it.
    +1. Still had his lobster-head helmet on there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Why do we care. I've been wearing cameras for years....let the cops do it, it's only sporting or as I said to one who was talking to Grapeshot and asked if I was finished yet......"Why do you care. Are you planning on doing something you don't want on the 6:00 news?"
    Don't care one way or the other whether they record/film me, but if they do, I want them to get my good side

    It would actually please me greatly if they recorded 24/7 while on duty or engaged in official conduct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSG Laigaie View Post
    I have seen these "shoulder thingies" before. It had a laser in it.
    Me too.

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    And I bet that would be

    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Don't care one way or the other whether they record/film me, but if they do, I want them to get my good side

    It would actually please me greatly if they recorded 24/7 while on duty or engaged in official conduct.
    the side your "purdy gun" is on?

    ;>)

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    Originally Posted by Grapeshot

    Don't care one way or the other whether they record/film me, but if they do, I want them to get my good side
    It would actually please me greatly if they recorded 24/7 while on duty or engaged in official conduct.


    Quote Originally Posted by va_tazdad View Post
    the side your "purdy gun" is on?

    ;>)
    Is there any other?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    It would actually please me greatly if they recorded 24/7 while on duty or engaged in official conduct.
    This^^ And ideally, the system would not 'malfunction' every time there is a case of alleged police abuse....

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