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    Oregon, Idaho better than WA on gun rights, says Guns & Ammo

    Top states for gun rights: Oregon, Idaho beat Washington

    Guns & Ammo magazine yesterday posted an on-line rating of where the states stand on gun rights, and surprisingly Washington, where well-financed anti-gunners complain that the laws need to be tightened, is in the bottom third, while Oregon and Idaho are ranked No. 29 and 30, respectively.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/top-...eat-washington


    Let's hear it: We're NOT Number One! We're NOT Number One!

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    Hey, my state is #45 ....

    That's good right?

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    For right to carry WA got ranked below Texas and Florida even though both of those states ban open carry and WA doesn't have a lot more places where people can't CC....

    I'm thinking this list is partly BS and has some added bias of "blue states low, red states high" thrown in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpine View Post
    For right to carry WA got ranked below Texas and Florida even though both of those states ban open carry and WA doesn't have a lot more places where people can't CC....

    I'm thinking this list is partly BS and has some added bias of "blue states low, red states high" thrown in.
    Exactly what I was thinking, I need to review the criteria, I'll bet WAs kinda sorta not really pistol registry and machine gun ban were the reasons. Because we have better carry rights then oregon, more complete preemption, etc. With the one exception that in oregon you can open carry at age 18

    Idaho I do believe the laws are better slightly then in WA
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    Ah damn you beat me to posting this! I agree with you guys that I think this list is a crock of ____ . How are we ranked so low and what does "Open carry is legal, with certain exceptions" mean? Our open carry laws are some of the best in the nation. Also, I should point out that I paid $52.50 for my CPL and not $36 (I WISH!). Any other thoughts on this? The article doesn't mention Initiative 594 but maybe that's another reason?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bebop4one View Post
    Ah damn you beat me to posting this! I agree with you guys that I think this list is a crock of ____ . How are we ranked so low and what does "Open carry is legal, with certain exceptions" mean? Our open carry laws are some of the best in the nation. Also, I should point out that I paid $52.50 for my CPL and not $36 (I WISH!). Any other thoughts on this? The article doesn't mention Initiative 594 but maybe that's another reason?
    36 is the fee in state law, and counties are authorized to add the fee of running the background check on top of that.
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    I agree with you guys. Given the ban on full autos and the registry I can understand a low overall ranking, and maybe a low miscellaneous ranking, but they specifically lowered WA' s "right to carry" sub category below states that ban OC. So yeah, I'd say this list is crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    kinda sorta not really pistol registry
    I'm missing the reference here.

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    He's talking about the WA handgun registry that is severely backlogued to the point of months or years and that only gets data from licensed dealers so it can be circumvented by private sales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ()pen(arry View Post
    I'm missing the reference here.
    Dept of Licensing, if you buy a handgun from a WA FFL the dealer fills a WA pistol purchase application, there's three copies, one kept by the dealer, one sent to the sheriff of your county of residence (this one is destroyed) and then one goes to Dept of Licensing, this was originally for the purposes of auditing the dealer then sometime in the late 90s dept of licensing bought a computer and started scanning these forms into it, then made it a searchable database by LE
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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    I completely agree. Not to mention the training hoops that Texans must go through to get their CHL that costs them 5 times as much as the WA CPL does. There is no way possible that anyone can say Texas is better for carrying a firearm in public than Washington is.

    Having just returned from a weekend in Portland, OR, I disagree with Oregon ranked above WA as well.
    For all the chest beating Texas gun laws aren't that great. They talk a lot but don't have much to show for it. I agree with your sentiment on Oregon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Dept of Licensing, if you buy a handgun from a WA FFL the dealer fills a WA pistol purchase application, there's three copies, one kept by the dealer, one sent to the sheriff of your county of residence (this one is destroyed) and then one goes to Dept of Licensing, this was originally for the purposes of auditing the dealer then sometime in the late 90s dept of licensing bought a computer and started scanning these forms into it, then made it a searchable database by LE
    Interesting. Sounds like I need to make friends with an Oregon FFL and make some weekend trips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ()pen(arry View Post
    Interesting. Sounds like I need to make friends with an Oregon FFL and make some weekend trips.
    Not that I care, but I don't advise announcing intending to break federal law on an open forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ()pen(arry View Post
    Interesting. Sounds like I need to make friends with an Oregon FFL and make some weekend trips.
    Private sales.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Not that I care, but I don't advise announcing intending to break federal law on an open forum.
    How is having a firearm delivered to the FFL of my choice a violation of federal law?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ()pen(arry View Post
    How is having a firearm delivered to the FFL of my choice a violation of federal law?

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    I think I see the misunderstanding now. I was not proposing to purchase from someone else and receive it from the Oregon FFL. That would, indeed, be illegal. I was proposing to purchase from the Oregon FFL, who would, as an FFL, be able to acquire from wherever necessary in order to sell to me. That is not illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpine View Post
    For right to carry WA got ranked below Texas
    In their "right to carry" category, WA & TX both got 7 out of 10 points. Even though you cant oc a modern pistol in TX and the WA cpl has less requirements, and cheaper, to get than TX, we have better state preemption on carrying so how did they both rank the same? This makes the rest look questionable.

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    WA got 6 on right to carry, or am I mistaken?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ()pen(arry View Post
    I think I see the misunderstanding now. I was not proposing to purchase from someone else and receive it from the Oregon FFL. That would, indeed, be illegal. I was proposing to purchase from the Oregon FFL, who would, as an FFL, be able to acquire from wherever necessary in order to sell to me. That is not illegal.

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    Only an FFL in WA can legally sell to you. And an FFL in WA is required to have a state license and do the pistol purchase application.

    As SVG pointed out, at least for now, you can legally purchase from a private party and would not be required to fill out the PPA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Only an FFL in WA can legally sell to you.
    No foolin, huh? I'd been unaware of that. Weak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ()pen(arry View Post
    No foolin, huh? I'd been unaware of that. Weak.
    I would add that you can only purchase a pistol from a resident of the same state you reside in, if you live in Wa you can not privately purchase a pistol from a resident of Oregon without going through a FFL in Washington.
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    Yep somehow the limits of shall not be infringed is ignored.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
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    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpine View Post
    WA got 6 on right to carry, or am I mistaken?
    You are right, for Right to Carry WA got 6 and TX got 7. So by their take, TX has better Right to Carry than WA. I wonder how many in TX agree with that?

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    WA has total preemption. OR has preemption only if you have a CPL/CWP. Don't know ID..
    WA gun buster signs only have legal effect where the law prohibits in the first place.
    WA the signs my be placed properly to have a legal effect (see bars).
    WA there is no duty to notify police you are armed at traffic stop. OR has a duty to notify.
    WA there is no requirement to carry ID while OC or any more ID than a CPL when CC and only when a CPL is required to CC.
    WA you can be served alcohol while carrying.
    WA there are exemptions for non LEOs to CC without a CPL.


    TX you can only OC black powered pistols and long guns.
    Why is TX even on the list?
    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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    Why is TX even on the list?
    Because of the vague folk belief that Texas is pro-gun...

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