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    Heroes throw grenade into baby crib

    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...-stun-grenade/


    Now this is one of the more heroic raids I've seen. I'll let the sheriff condemn himself with his ludicrous comments. Incredible that we live in such a tyranny and that we put up with it. All I can say is that if it were my child, the consequences for the heroes would be extremely severe.
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    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    This Sheriff actually has the balls to say "his officers did nothing wrong", and "he wouldn't have done anything different" if given the chance.

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    One more quote from the "good" SHeriff.


    "We knew in our minds that there wasn't any children in the home, unfortunately there was."

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    Similar to the one where they tossed a flash bang through a girls bedroom window and burned her pretty bad when it exploded right next to her. Always the excuse "we didnt know there were children"... they didn't eve know enough about the place to know it was a childs bedroom.

    How about you change your tactics to assume there are always children present?

    I mean... if it saves one child it's worth it right? I hear that all the time from left leaning persons at least...

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    Those murdering idiots are a disgrace to the human race..
    Whatever happened to intel and good police work? An army of LE people raid a home to arrest ONE criminal and instead ruin a child's life.

    Placing the blame on the criminal drug dealer is lame. Also why have the media not run with this story? I have not seen or heard one story on the national news outlets referencing this tragedy, where are the civil rights activists etc?

    If the Justice Department does not bring criminal charges against the would be killers involved in this tragedy, then no one and I mean no one is safe from the mentally challenged vicious tyrants working in law enforcement.

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    Media coverage

    https://news.google.com/news/rtc?ncl...UQdY9EmI5vGmCM - 250 articles CNN, WaPo, AJC

    Ya can't see if YOU don't look. GeeZeus, in the land of the so blind, the one-eyed man is king.
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    I liked it when they tossed a flash bang into what they thought was a meth-lab. Even I know not to even strike a lighter in a place that I think is a meth-lab.
    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Media coverage

    https://news.google.com/news/rtc?ncl...UQdY9EmI5vGmCM - 250 articles CNN, WaPo, AJC

    Ya can't see if YOU don't look. GeeZeus, in the land of the so blind, the one-eyed man is king.
    Thank you kind Sir, I stand corrected on the lack of media coverage sentence.
    Now, where is the Justice Department?
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    According to what I have read .... the kid was usually kept out of sight in another area of the house.

    That's why the po po informant reported back "no kids" ... so they did try to check. How often they do even this much is a mystery with these raids.

    I'm certain that the po po does not care about the kid of someone living with a drug dealer. After all, drug dealers are the worst sort of people ~ they equate them with terrorists.

    But everyone is a terrorist now. Unless one works for the gov't.

    I wrote the sheriff and told him to simply stop enforcing drug crimes and to push to eliminate the drug laws like Portugal did w/o issues. No reply.

    All should train for these devices being used against them.

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    I can not understand the use of such tactics for petty criminals. The use of swat or SRT teams for such minor offenses and way to many times innocent people are seriously hurt or killed. Enough is enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by conandan View Post
    I can not understand the use of such tactics for petty criminals. The use of swat or SRT teams for such minor offenses and way to many times innocent people are seriously hurt or killed. Enough is enough.

    When an agency has a SWAT hammer, every "warrant" no matter how small the offense becomes a "safety threatening" nail.

    NO LEO involved will be held personally responsible in this by "the law", therefore I hope the citizens of that area ensure the officers and their unapologetic leader are held PERSONALLY accountable whatever that takes.

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    Clear violation of rights.

    The DOJ should be looking into charging the criminals under Title 18 section 241/242.

    Clearly there are easier methods to apprehend low level street drug pushers then the method used in this case.

    Also do these night time, early morning hour raids seem cowardly to you? They do to me.. And the lack of good intel almost makes this incident look like a posse set out to do a lynching...

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    Cases of babies being burned by stun grenades tossed by SWAT members is rare, so it is acceptable. (extreme sarcasm)
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    Cases of babies being burned by stun grenades tossed by SWAT members is rare, so it is acceptable. (extreme sarcasm)
    What did one apologist say something along the lines of "They are human they just made a mistake"...........of course this is just another isolated incident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    What did one apologist say something along the lines of "They are human they just made a mistake"...........of course this is just another isolated incident.
    Correct. Humans make mistakes.

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    Humans pay for mistakes, even unto self-immolation. That's a recommendation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Humans pay for mistakes, even unto self-immolation. That's a recommendation.
    Agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    Correct. Humans make mistakes.

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    How many wife beaters do you let go because hey they are just humans making mistakes?
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    How many wife beaters do you let go because hey they are just humans making mistakes?
    None.... They didn't accidently punch them in the face.

    Stupid analogy.

    Oops.... I didn't know her face would be in the way of my fist flying....

    Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.00.

    They had Intel that no kids were present. The kids were in a place that they couldn't see. There was no intention of harming children.

    Its a very s****** situation. But its still an accident.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    None.... They didn't accidently punch them in the face.

    Stupid analogy.

    Oops.... I didn't know her face would be in the way of my fist flying....

    Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.00.

    They had Intel that no kids were present. The kids were in a place that they couldn't see. There was no intention of harming children.

    Its a very s****** situation. But its still an accident.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    So someone lied to get a warrant.
    Who? And how do you figure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    Correct. Humans make mistakes.

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    And Humans pay for mistakes through the "Justice" system when GROSS negligence kills or severely injures another. Humans other than LEOs of course, they get a pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    But its still an accident.
    Tell that to the kid... if he ever wakes up... and doesn't have brain damage.

    I wonder what cops would say if you "accidentally" shot one of THEM...
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    The last thing I would ever do is propose a Federal Law, BUT to protect Citizens. I propose the Feds. pass a law stating any "SWAT"/SRT/etc. team that raids the wrong home or injures innocent victims inside is DISBANDED for 5 years. After the first few "mistakes" made around the country, others will ENSURE they are 100% GTG before raiding their next "suspect". My guess would be they would immediately STOP using druggies willing to say anything to save their skin as "informants".

    This MUST STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    None.... They didn't accidently punch them in the face.

    Stupid analogy.

    Oops.... I didn't know her face would be in the way of my fist flying....

    Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.00. They had Intel that no kids were present. The kids were in a place that they couldn't see. There was no intention of harming children.

    Its a very s****** situation. But its still an accident.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    Who? And how do you figure?

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    Read your own words.

    They swore to a lie to get the warrant.
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