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    Some Schools will have armed officials in Yakima County

    Finally the beginning of arming some school administrators to be first responders.

    http://www.yakimaherald.com/home/222...ials-this-fall

    Fireworks are sure to come out of this announcement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Yep. Particularly for being labeled as first responders.

    I've a local cop, hired as a cop, that has become a first responder too, EMS crew leader, that I do not trust with exigent circumstances to intrude on my curtilage.

    I also know an otherwise waste of skin that has been certified CERT.

    This is authoritariansim and credentialism run amok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Yep. Particularly for being labeled as first responders.

    I've a local cop, hired as a cop, that has become a first responder too, EMS crew leader, that I do not trust with exigent circumstances to intrude on my curtilage.

    I also know an otherwise waste of skin that has been certified CERT.

    This is authoritariansim and credentialism run amok.
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    Ahhh, the perks of being upper management.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_pro2a View Post
    Ahhh, the perks of being upper management.
    They'll end up shooting themselves in the head ... so all-in-all, its a good law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    They'll end up shooting themselves in the head ... so all-in-all, its a good law.
    Bah, we'll be lucky if they only shoot their own foot.

    Militarization of LEOs, and now 'Policeization' of teachers. Our .gov is really starting to get 'proactive.'

    Letting Taliban out of Gitmo, but don't worry, your kids are now under lock, key and gun..
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    Comparisons of how most law enforcement view the common man for carrying and the ones who carry view others moving ahead to defend our children, hypocritical! I think so.


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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    They'll end up shooting themselves in the head ... so all-in-all, its a good law.
    I'm not so worried about them shooting themselves in the head...I'm worried about where all the missed shots will go until they finally manage to hit their target.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_pro2a View Post
    Ahhh, the perks of being upper management.
    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    They'll end up shooting themselves in the head ... so all-in-all, its a good law.
    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    Comparisons of how most law enforcement view the common man for carrying and the ones who carry view others moving ahead to defend our children, hypocritical! I think so.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Difdi View Post
    I'm not so worried about them shooting themselves in the head...I'm worried about where all the missed shots will go until they finally manage to hit their target.
    I'm confused. So all of you guys are against teachers carrying guns to protect kids?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    I'm confused. So all of you guys are against teachers carrying guns to protect kids?

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    Not me, I'm against the "state" allowing only a specific class of persons to exercise self defense or defense of children. Teachers, parents, custodians, school bus drivers, or any other person ought to have the unfetered right to defend themselves and others if and when needed no matter where they are legally present without having to wait for those in a uniform with a shiny badge to get there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    I'm confused. So all of you guys are against teachers carrying guns to protect kids?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeSparky View Post
    Not me, I'm against the "state" allowing only a specific class of persons to exercise self defense or defense of children. Teachers, parents, custodians, school bus drivers, or any other person ought to have the unfetered right to defend themselves and others if and when needed no matter where they are legally present without having to wait for those in a uniform with a shiny badge to get there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    I'm confused. So all of you guys are against teachers carrying guns to protect kids?

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    I would support anyone's right to carry almost anywhere at anytime... but why are they special? Can you now carry there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    I would support anyone's right to carry almost anywhere at anytime... but why are they special? Can you now carry there?
    I wouldn't say they are special in anyway. It sounds like they are going to train and arm their employees. Key word train. I could be wrong though.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_pro2a View Post
    Special Rights for thee, none for me.

    Some pigs are more equal than others.
    Who are the pigs you are referring to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    Who are the pigs you are referring to?

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    Was this put on some sort of 'do not read' list for highschools?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_pro2a View Post
    Was this put on some sort of 'do not read' list for highschools?

    Not sure if it was on a list, but I can say thats the first I have heard of the book. Actually had to Google it and see what it was.

    Also, I can say thank you for mentioning it. I just downloaded it to my kindle for reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    Not sure if it was on a list, but I can say thats the first I have heard of the book. Actually had to Google it and see what it was.

    Also, I can say thank you for mentioning it. I just downloaded it to my kindle for reading.

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    I've never read Catcher in the Rye, but I've still heard of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_pro2a View Post
    I've never read Catcher in the Rye, but I've still heard of it.
    Ok congratulations on that. So have I.

    I'm certain there are numerous books that both you and I have heard of and not read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeSparky View Post
    Not me, I'm against the "state" allowing only a specific class of persons to exercise self defense or defense of children. Teachers, parents, custodians, school bus drivers, or any other person ought to have the unfetered right to defend themselves and others if and when needed no matter where they are legally present without having to wait for those in a uniform with a shiny badge to get there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    Comparisons of how most law enforcement view the common man for carrying and the ones who carry view others moving ahead to defend our children, hypocritical! I think so.


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    Always conflating government with private individuals.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Always conflating government with private individuals.
    When one 'private individual' can make a decision that affects another private individual or that other individual's children, then that is government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Difdi View Post
    When one 'private individual' can make a decision that affects another private individual or that other individual's children, then that is government.
    I can fire someone who works for me that affects them and may affect their children. I can be fired from a job or have my guys quit which would affect me and my children, neither one of us would be government.

    The essence Governement or the state is the involuntary violence.


    And its not hypocritical to make judgement upon constitutionally restricted state agents and what they should or should not carry. Comparing that to private citizens.....is silly.
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    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    I'm confused. So all of you guys are against teachers carrying guns to protect kids?
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    ..... It sounds like they are going to train and arm their employees. Key word train.........
    This morning I heard from a Mom and her daughter. The daughter is concerned about the recent assaults at schools and is worried because there is no one there to protect her. Her Mom suggested that "Sergeant john" could come to her school and help keep her safe.

    I would volunteer for this kind of Community service. I do not believe the city council of bellingham would EVER approve protecting children in this manner. I believe the Community should step up and take care of their own and put LEOs back on the streets where they belong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSG Laigaie View Post
    This morning I heard from a Mom and her daughter. The daughter is concerned about the recent assaults at schools and is worried because there is no one there to protect her. Her Mom suggested that "Sergeant john" could come to her school and help keep her safe.

    I would volunteer for this kind of Community service. I do not believe the city council of bellingham would EVER approve protecting children in this manner. I believe the Community should step up and take care of their own and put LEOs back on the streets where they belong.
    That right there is a mom who places here ideology above her kid's safety.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

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